Just what IS conservativism?

Bfoon, you can continue to be a dishonest fucktard all you like, the Democrats have still controlled Congress for the overwhelming majority of the last century, and the list shows that to be the fact. Republicans have NOT been in charge, nor have they had enough majority to override filibusters and vetoes. No legislation ever proposed by Republicans has ever been passed into law without Democrat support. These are FACTS that you can't refute. You can split hairs and parse words and look up definitions, and try to distort the facts by cherry-picking what you want, but the truth is the truth, and you can't run from that.
 
Here's what you should be concentrating: not your anger, but the ballot box.

That's where American revolutions begin.

The media is doing their best to deflate the Tea Party movement and make you feel worthless honestly.

Look at the story that was happening in The Washington Post last weekend.

Its headline says "A Movement Without a Compass."

Wait a minute.

I have thought it was all kinds of foreign money and everything else and it was all the GOP there.

Now, it's without a compass.

Here is a little excerpt, "the new Washington Post canvasses hundreds of local Tea Party groups revealing a different sort of organization, one that is not so much a movement, a disparate band of vaguely connected gathering that do surprisingly little to engage in the political process."
 
Here's what you should be concentrating: not your anger, but the ballot box.

That's where American revolutions begin.

The media is doing their best to deflate the Tea Party movement and make you feel worthless honestly.

Look at the story that was happening in The Washington Post last weekend.

Its headline says "A Movement Without a Compass."

Wait a minute.

I have thought it was all kinds of foreign money and everything else and it was all the GOP there.

Now, it's without a compass.

Here is a little excerpt, "the new Washington Post canvasses hundreds of local Tea Party groups revealing a different sort of organization, one that is not so much a movement, a disparate band of vaguely connected gathering that do surprisingly little to engage in the political process."


No glen, the voting process is a sham. We should all disempower the government by refusing to vote, thus removing the oligarchies ability to claim the consent of the governed. This is how to do a peaceful revolution.
 
And they talk about the evils of juice boxes and video games.

Not video games like the first person shooter where you can shoot a cop, that's not dangerous.

But the stuff used to make those video games, they're destroying the earth.

It's good that we have our priorities right.

The American experiment, as you know it, is under full-fledged assault.

You know it.

You feel it in your gut.
 
Uhm, no the same thing didn't happen as with HCR. There was NO Republican who voted for HCR... NONE! So, how do you figure "single payer" was dropped to garner Republican support? Republicans weren't voting for it with or without the 'single payer' option ...that idea was dropped to garner DEMOCRAT support!

Single payer was never on the table. The progressive wing of the Democratic party is powerless. The reason Republicans were NEVER going to vote for health care; they made a decision, not based on the dire need for reform, or the crisis it has created for our people and for our economy. They made a collective decision that destroying President Obama, handing him his 'Waterloo' and regaining power was more important than helping the American people. Their obstruction was plotted, planned, and orchestrated to LIE to the American people about the crisis we're in and to LIE about how health care reform will help the American people.

So then it really doesn't matter how many TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS we spend to try and lift people out of poverty, it will never work, is that what you are admitting? GOOD JOB! But it seems you have set yourselves up with a never-ending excuse to continue passing measure after measure, to chase a problem that can never be solved. That's pretty convenient if you're a Democrat.

It DID work and those 'measures' created the most robust middle class in the history on the world. It wasn't until the failed Reagan revolution began to attack and dismantle those 'measures' did the poverty level rise and the middle class and poor get stomped and trampled on.

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Like I said, we've been playing this game for pretty much the last CENTURY with Democrats leading the way! We've adopted your ideas, we've made the changes you thought we should make, we have borrowed all the money we could get our hands on and taxed people to the point of bankruptcy, to implement the programs you claimed we needed to help these people, and as you admit, there will always be more people to help, we'll never solve the problem. When do we stop and say, you know what--It's not working--We need to try something different? According to Democrats, we never stop, we just continue to pour money into an endless pit, trying to fix a problem that you admitted, can never be fixed!

The idea that deficits and debt don't matter is solely the creation of Republicans. AGAIN, the failed Reagan revolution ushered in the Trojan Horse to return America to the plutocracy of the Gilded age, Trickle UP voodoo economics. Taxes are NOT bankrupting the American people; the rising cost of living, skyrocketing health care and education costs, against the backdrop of stagnant wages, less employer benefits and pensions ARE. Then add Republicans allowing corporate lawyers write laws that make swindling the American middle class 'lawful' and helping credit card companies feast off of middle class families has caused a real crisis for the middle class and poor. Today, MORE American children have parents that go through a bankruptcy then go through a divorce.


Again, with the exception of a sporadic period during the past 15 years, Democrats have had total and complete control of Congress. There has NEVER been a Republican initiative of ANY kind, ever passed in Congress without bipartisan Democrat support! For the past century, every program, every idea, every supposed "solution" the Democrats have wanted to implement, they have been able to. Even when Republicans briefly held the gavel in the House and Senate, the party was racked with Olympia Snowe/Susan Collins Republicans who didn't march in lockstep with the GOP, who often sided with the Democrats and rendered the majority status of Republicans irrelevant. So how do you get this idea that Republicans are obstructing Democrats?

How do I get this idea that Republicans are obstructing Democrats? From Republicans and REALITY.

Waterloo

by David Frum - former speechwriter for George W. Bush

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.

Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.
http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

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Health care reform was a Democrat idea, not a single Republican supported it, not a single Republican voted for it. Every statistic shows it will destroy our health care system, make health care costs more expensive for all, and less available to all. But still, the Democrats wanted it, the Democrats got it! They rammed it through without a single Republican vote, without consideration for anything Republicans had to say about it. AND STILL, it's not enough for you! STILL, you want to blame Republicans because it doesn't go far enough, even though you admit that it can never solve the problem, there will always be people who need help.

The Democrats basically passed the 1993 Republican health care proposal. That includes a BIG Republican idea...THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Graphics/2010/022310-Bill-comparison.aspx

Republican support for the individual mandate policy goes back further than this health care reform discussion. Earlier this month, Julie Rovner profiled a history of the policy dating back to the 1980′s

In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. “It was invented by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the time.”…

“We called this responsible national health insurance,” says Pauly. “There was a kind of an ethical and moral support for the notion that people shouldn’t be allowed to free-ride on the charity of fellow citizens.”

The policy was originally included in many Republican proposals including the proposals during the Clinton administration. The leading GOP alternative plan known as the 1994 Consumer Choice Health Security Act included the requirement to purchase insurance. Further, this proposal was based off of a 1990 Heritage Foundation proposal outlined a quality health system where “government would require, by law every head of household to acquire at least a basic health plan for his or her family.”

http://dcprogressive.org/2010/03/08/history-republicans-supporting-mandate/
 
Bfoon likes to create an argument, then change the parameters while people aren't looking. This is how we get convoluted ideas that HCR benefits Americans, when it really doesn't. The allegation was made, that Republicans obstructed and drug their feet on 'single payer' and that simply didn't happen, Republicans didn't vote for HCR, even without 'single payer' and it was because 70% of America said they didn't want it.

Romneycare in Massachusetts is a disaster! They are already attempting to reform it, because it isn't working! That is how Scott Brown (R) got elected in the most liberal state in America, to the seat of the Godfather of Modern Liberalism, God rest his soul! Responsible and conscientious republicans wanted to reform health care by allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines, by doing something about TORT reform, to mitigate the huge massive lawsuits and awards, which drive the cost of malpractice insurance through the roof. There were ideas for reform from the right, but Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama, made it clear, the Republicans would not be given a voice at the table, and they were determined to ram through a 2,200-page bill that no one even bothered to READ! They did this without ANY support from Republicans, not even Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, or Lindsey Graham! They had to modify the original plan, just to get the needed Democrat votes to pass it! Now, they THOUGHT, once they did this, people would come to accept it, and view it like Social Security or Civil Rights, and embrace it... but they have a different thing coming, and it comes with the elections tomorrow.
 
Bfoon likes to create an argument, then change the parameters while people aren't looking. This is how we get convoluted ideas that HCR benefits Americans, when it really doesn't. The allegation was made, that Republicans obstructed and drug their feet on 'single payer' and that simply didn't happen, Republicans didn't vote for HCR, even without 'single payer' and it was because 70% of America said they didn't want it.

Romneycare in Massachusetts is a disaster! They are already attempting to reform it, because it isn't working! That is how Scott Brown (R) got elected in the most liberal state in America, to the seat of the Godfather of Modern Liberalism, God rest his soul! Responsible and conscientious republicans wanted to reform health care by allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines, by doing something about TORT reform, to mitigate the huge massive lawsuits and awards, which drive the cost of malpractice insurance through the roof. There were ideas for reform from the right, but Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama, made it clear, the Republicans would not be given a voice at the table, and they were determined to ram through a 2,200-page bill that no one even bothered to READ! They did this without ANY support from Republicans, not even Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, or Lindsey Graham! They had to modify the original plan, just to get the needed Democrat votes to pass it! Now, they THOUGHT, once they did this, people would come to accept it, and view it like Social Security or Civil Rights, and embrace it... but they have a different thing coming, and it comes with the elections tomorrow.

Sorry Dixie, mindless dogma, Frank Luntz's GOP talking points and total misinformation is not an argument, it is ignorance. The health care bill Democrats passed is almost IDENTICAL to the Republican proposal from 1993. READ THE LINK I provided.

The 2010 bill INCLUDES allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines. And President Obama OFFERED to discuss tort reform, the Republicans REFUSED to negotiate. WHAT THE FUCK do you need to understand, a tack hammer in the forehead? I posted what the speechwriter of your beloved Bush said: "At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994." The Republicans we NOT going to vote for heath care even if Obama had them write the bill. It was not about health care, or about helping the American people. It was about politics and destroying Obama.
 
No, it was part of the back-door plan. Democrats want to shove it up America's ass.

Damn Yankee, I could get into a long debate about this, but instead, let me ask you one question; do you think there is anything insurance cartels shove up America's ass?
 
Damn Yankee, I could get into a long debate about this, but instead, let me ask you one question; do you think there is anything insurance cartels shove up America's ass?

What "cartels"? Don't you know that these are illegal in the US?
 
This is a blatant and outright LIE! It doesn't!

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Does the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Permit the Purchase of Health Insurance Across State Lines?


The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) does include provisions that will allow the purchasing of health insurance across state lines. However, these provisions are structured somewhat differently than earlier proposals advocated by some members of Congress and Senator John McCain during his 2008 presidential run. The differences are intended to protect states with more consumer protections from having those regulations undermined by cross-state sales of health insurance.

Under the earlier proposals, insurers could sell coverage to residents of any state, with the insurer complying with insurance regulations in the state in which the company was based, instead of the regulations of the state in which the consumer lived. Several researchers analyzed these proposals within the context in which they had been proposed—that is, without other insurance market reforms or significant subsidization of coverage for the low-income population.

All three analyses reached similar conclusions. State laws vary considerably in how strictly they regulate the premium rating and rules of issue governing the sale of health insurance. As a result, many insurers could, and likely would, base their companies in the least regulatory states. In this way, insurers could continue to medically underwrite coverage and deny applicants based on health status, even in states that otherwise require guaranteed issue and community rating. Insurers could sell policies with limited covered benefits, even in states that mandate the sale of more comprehensive coverage. Any insurer in a state maintaining regulations requiring broader pooling of health risk would attract the higher-cost enrollees unable to obtain coverage elsewhere, compromising the viability of those insurance pools and leading states into a regulatory race to the bottom. State insurance regulations could be expected to be eliminated to a great degree, and states would eradicate many, if not all, state benefit mandates. In addition, as Kofman and Pollitz pointed out, legislation that prohibits states from enforcing their own laws and relies upon states to enforce laws in other states raises a host of questions regarding constitutionality and practical enforcement.

http://www.urban.org/publications/412195.html
 
What "cartels"? Don't you know that these are illegal in the US?

Health insurance companies exempt from anti-trust laws
Can not have reform until this changes

Independence, MO — Maybe I have missed it, but there has not been any discussion in the healthcare reform debate about what may be the biggest problem health insurance companies have. Actually, it is not a problem for them, but for those of us who have to pay for health insurance, and for physicians who are at the mercy of health insurers for reimbursements.
It is a little known fact that health insurance companies are exempt from the antitrust laws. A law passed at the end of World War II, the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945, exempts health insurance companies from the federal anti-trust legislation that applies to most businesses.

http://www.examiner.net/news/law/x1914248650/Health-insurance-companies-exempt-from-anti-trust-laws

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
 
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Health insurance companies exempt from anti-trust laws
Can not have reform until this changes

Independence, MO — Maybe I have missed it, but there has not been any discussion in the healthcare reform debate about what may be the biggest problem health insurance companies have. Actually, it is not a problem for them, but for those of us who have to pay for health insurance, and for physicians who are at the mercy of health insurers for reimbursements.
It is a little known fact that health insurance companies are exempt from the antitrust laws. A law passed at the end of World War II, the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945, exempts health insurance companies from the federal anti-trust legislation that applies to most businesses.

http://www.examiner.net/news/law/x1914248650/Health-insurance-companies-exempt-from-anti-trust-laws

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

So repeal that law.
 
So repeal that law.

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Repealing the Antitrust Exemption for Health Insurance Companies
Posted by Jesse Lee on February 23, 2010 at 07:52 PM EDT

In his press briefing today, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs announced another step to make sure our health care system works for the benefit of American families, not for the benefit of health insurance companies:

[T]oday the President announced the administration’s strong support for repealing the antitrust exemption currently enjoyed by health insurers. At its core, health reform is all about ensuring that American families and businesses have more choices, benefit from more competition, and have greater control over their own health care. Repealing this exemption is an important part of that effort.

Today there are no rules outlawing bid rigging, price fixing, and other insurance company practices that will drive up health care costs, and often drive up their own profits as well.

The President's support was made official in a statement of administration policy (SAP) sent to Congress as the House considers that legislation in the coming days. Here's the SAP (pdf):

STATEMENT OF ADMINISTRATION POLICY
H.R. 4626 — Health Insurance Industry Fair Competition Act
(Rep. Perriello, D-Virginia, and 65 cosponsors)

The Administration strongly supports House passage of H.R. 4626. The repeal of the antitrust exemption in the McCarran-Ferguson Act as it applies to the health insurance industry would give American families and businesses, big and small, more control over their own health care choices by promoting greater insurance competition. The repeal also will outlaw existing, anti-competitive health insurance practices like price fixing, bid rigging, and market allocation that drive up costs for all Americans. Health insurance reform should be built on a strong commitment to competition in all health care markets, including health insurance. This bill will benefit the American health care consumer by ensuring that competition has a prominent role in reforming health insurance markets throughout the Nation.

The White House.gov
 
Interesting thread, I actually asked the same question in an OP, but will spare you the agony and instead give a sorta tongue in cheek survey of my view of American conservatism, it's all I know.

First if conservatism is basically defined as respect for the past and past traditions, which ones do we pick. I like now and I like what modern life has managed to provide. But I'd also like an even better future for all people. (I do well in life.)

Or if we were all conservatives would we still be living in caves howling at the moon? After all is that a great tradition and blaming the moon focuses complaint, single foes make life simple and conservatives are simple. imho

Or are conservatives, as seems so obvious, just whining contented people, too lazy or insecure to allow that maybe things are not perfect for everyone? And just because they are OK, and mommy and daddy are helping them, all is OK with others and if those others weren't lazy and insecure they too would be conservatives or at least OK.

Anyhow these two books sum up the modern American conservative, other conservatives are probably odd too, but unknown at this time, and possibly in a cave somewhere.


"He argues that a triplet of 'rhetorical' criticisms--perversity, futility, and jeopardy--'has been unfailingly leveled' by 'reactionaries' at each major progressive reform of the past 300 years--those T. H. Marshall identified with the advancement of civil, political and social rights of citizenship...Charmingly written, this book can benefit a diverse readership."

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/HIRRHE.html?show=reviews

"'The Culture of Contentment' is a deliberate misnomer. Galbraith is using irony here, irony little short of sarcasm. What he really means is the culture of smugness. His argument is that until the mid 1970s round about the oil crisis the western democracies accepted the idea of a mixed economy and with that went economic social progress. Since then, however, a prominent class has emerged, materially stable and even very rich, which, far from trying to help the less fortunate, has developed a whole infrastructure - politically and intellectually - to marginalize and even demonize them. Aspects of this include tax reductions to the better off and welfare cuts to the worst off, small 'manageable wars' to maintain the unifying force of a common enemy, the idea of 'unmitigated laissez-faire as embodiment of freedom,' and a desire for cutback in government. The most important collective end result of all this, Galbraith says, is a blindness and a deafness among the 'contented' to the growing problems of society. While they are content to spend, or have spent in their name, trillions of dollars to defeat relatively minor enemy figures... they are extremely unwilling to spend money on the underclass nearer home. In a startling paragraph he quotes figures to show that 'the number of Americans living below the poverty line increased by 28% in just 10 years from 24.5 million in 1978 to 32 million in 1988 by then nearly one in five children was born in poverty in the United States more than twice as high a proportion as in Canada or Germany." Peter Watson


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'Conservative thought will be banned under the new Healthcare reform act as so much negativity. greed, and self centered narcissism only leads to depression and grouchy, lined faces, and furthermore is in opposition to the general welfare clause of the constitution. Due to the widespread prevalence of Dunning–Kruger effect among conservatives and republicans, a healthcare proviso has been amended to the original bill.' mc5
 
Interesting thread, I actually asked the same question in an OP, but will spare you the agony and instead give a sorta tongue in cheek survey of my view of American conservatism, it's all I know.

First if conservatism is basically defined as respect for the past and past traditions, which ones do we pick. I like now and I like what modern life has managed to provide. But I'd also like an even better future for all people. (I do well in life.)

Or if we were all conservatives would we still be living in caves howling at the moon? After all is that a great tradition and blaming the moon focuses complaint, single foes make life simple and conservatives are simple. imho

Or are conservatives, as seems so obvious, just whining contented people, too lazy or insecure to allow that maybe things are not perfect for everyone? And just because they are OK, and mommy and daddy are helping them, all is OK with others and if those others weren't lazy and insecure they too would be conservatives or at least OK.

Anyhow these two books sum up the modern American conservative, other conservatives are probably odd too, but unknown at this time, and possibly in a cave somewhere.


"He argues that a triplet of 'rhetorical' criticisms--perversity, futility, and jeopardy--'has been unfailingly leveled' by 'reactionaries' at each major progressive reform of the past 300 years--those T. H. Marshall identified with the advancement of civil, political and social rights of citizenship...Charmingly written, this book can benefit a diverse readership."

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/HIRRHE.html?show=reviews

"'The Culture of Contentment' is a deliberate misnomer. Galbraith is using irony here, irony little short of sarcasm. What he really means is the culture of smugness. His argument is that until the mid 1970s round about the oil crisis the western democracies accepted the idea of a mixed economy and with that went economic social progress. Since then, however, a prominent class has emerged, materially stable and even very rich, which, far from trying to help the less fortunate, has developed a whole infrastructure - politically and intellectually - to marginalize and even demonize them. Aspects of this include tax reductions to the better off and welfare cuts to the worst off, small 'manageable wars' to maintain the unifying force of a common enemy, the idea of 'unmitigated laissez-faire as embodiment of freedom,' and a desire for cutback in government. The most important collective end result of all this, Galbraith says, is a blindness and a deafness among the 'contented' to the growing problems of society. While they are content to spend, or have spent in their name, trillions of dollars to defeat relatively minor enemy figures... they are extremely unwilling to spend money on the underclass nearer home. In a startling paragraph he quotes figures to show that 'the number of Americans living below the poverty line increased by 28% in just 10 years from 24.5 million in 1978 to 32 million in 1988 by then nearly one in five children was born in poverty in the United States more than twice as high a proportion as in Canada or Germany." Peter Watson


Amazon.com: Culture of Contentment, the (Penguin economics) (9780140173666): John Kenneth Galbraith: Books: Reviews, Prices & more



'Conservative thought will be banned under the new Healthcare reform act as so much negativity. greed, and self centered narcissism only leads to depression and grouchy, lined faces, and furthermore is in opposition to the general welfare clause of the constitution. Due to the widespread prevalence of Dunning–Kruger effect among conservatives and republicans, a healthcare proviso has been amended to the original bill.' mc5

Great post midcan. John Kenneth Galbraith was a close friend and trusted adviser to President Kennedy. He and our 35th president were on the precipice of having a huge effect on American history, but an assassin's bullet ended that and horribly altered the direction of this nation.

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Galbraith and Vietnam

By Richard Parker
The Nation

Monday, March 14, 2005

In the fall of 1961, unknown to the American public, John F. Kennedy was weighing a crucial decision about Vietnam not unlike that which George W. Bush faced about Iraq in early 2002--whether to go to war. It was the height of the cold war, when Communism was the "terrorist threat," and Ho Chi Minh the era's Saddam Hussein to many in Washington. But the new President was a liberal Massachusetts Democrat (and a decorated war veteran), not a conservative Sunbelt Republican who claimed God's hand guided his foreign policy. JFK's tough-minded instincts about war were thus very different. Contrary to what many have come to believe about the Vietnam War's origins, new research shows that Kennedy wanted no war in Asia and had clear criteria for conditions under which he'd send Americans abroad to fight and die for their country--criteria quite relevant today.

But thanks also in part to recently declassified records, we now know that Kennedy's top aides--whatever his own views--were offering him counsel not all that different from what Bush was told forty years later. Early that November, his personal military adviser, Gen. Maxwell Taylor, and his deputy National Security Adviser, Walt Rostow, were on their way back from Saigon with a draft of the "Taylor report," their bold plan to "save" Vietnam, beginning with the commitment of at least 8,000 US troops--a down payment, they hoped, on thousands more to follow. But they knew JFK had no interest in their idea because six months earlier in a top-secret meeting, he had forcefully vetoed his aides' proposed dispatch of 60,000 troops to neighboring Laos--and they were worried about how to maneuver his assent.

Harvard economist John Kenneth Galbraith, then Ambassador to India, got wind of their plan--and rushed to block their efforts. He was not an expert on Vietnam, but India chaired the International Control Commission, which had been set up following French withdrawal from Indochina to oversee a shaky peace accord meant to stabilize the region, and so from State Department cables he knew about the Taylor mission--and thus had a clear sense of what was at stake. For Galbraith, a trusted adviser with unique back-channel access to the President, a potential US war in Vietnam represented more than a disastrous misadventure in foreign policy--it risked derailing the New Frontier's domestic plans for Keynesian-led full employment, and for massive new spending on education, the environment and what would become the War on Poverty. Worse, he feared, it might ultimately tear not only the Democratic Party but the nation apart--and usher in a new conservative era in American politics.

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By then Galbraith was back in New Delhi, after stopping in Saigon on Kennedy's orders to survey the situation there firsthand. He had filed not one but three lengthy back-channel cables to JFK, which make for sobering reading today (even though Galbraith interspersed them with his trademark wit: For example, he described one briefing by local US officials as "geared to the mentality of an idiot, or more likely, a backwoods congressman"; taken for a brief inspection tour of the countryside surrounding Saigon, he dryly reported that it was hard to tell "friendly jungle" from "Vietcong jungle" and added, "who is the man in your administration who decides what countries are strategic? I would like to...ask him what is so important about this real estate in the Space Age").

Given word of Kennedy's reshuffling at State, Galbraith was cheered by Harriman's promotion but also cautious, knowing full well by now the ambitions of the President's top advisers. To his diary that night he noted his ambivalence about the shift. "It is all excellent and not a moment too soon; but then Kennedy left in place at his right hand McNamara, Bundy, Rusk, and Taylor." His worry, needless to say, proved on the mark: Those top officials kept pushing the President for greater and greater US involvement, as they would push Lyndon Johnson when he inherited them following Kennedy's assassination. But Kennedy--with Galbraith counseling him throughout--kept resisting them in turn, right up to that fateful day in Dallas.

The Cuban missile crisis in October 1962, when for a moment the world hung on the brink of nuclear oblivion, seemed to have a particularly powerful effect on Kennedy. Soon after, he began work on the famous American University speech that he delivered in June 1963, in which he spoke more forcefully than any President had ever dared about the risks of nuclear war and the need to negotiate with the Russians (from that speech came the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty). He also asked Galbraith to take over as US Ambassador to Moscow, an offer Galbraith finally declined, convinced of the impossibility of working with and through Rusk.

We also now know that Kennedy that same spring ordered the Pentagon to plan to have all US troops out of Vietnam by early 1965, shortly after what he assumed would be his re-election--and further ordered that the troop pullout begin by the late fall of 1963. But he did not, of course, live to see their withdrawal.
http://www.johnkennethgalbraith.com/index.php?display=10&page=articles

When Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, John Kenneth Galbraith wrote that he was relieved that the President had died quickly, fearing the destruction of his wit and intellect as the greater evil.
 
First if conservatism is basically defined as respect for the past and past traditions, which ones do we pick [?] ...

Anyhow these two books sum up the modern American conservative...

It would be nice for you if you or Galbraith got to choose the definition of conservatism, but that's not how it works. The modern definition of conservatism with respect to politics is simple: we want the federal government to be limited, and required to abide by its founding documents. We believe as our Founders did that man is endowed by his Creator with certain rights and that government is instituted by men for the sole purpose of protecting those rights. The Constitution limits the federal government to certain enumerated powers and if men want the government to do more than they must amend the Constitution through the amendment process. The amendment process is onerous for a reason; a large majority must want the change to occur.

Liberals, in contrast, don't want to bother with the onerous amendment process. So they cheat. They claim the Constitution is a "living, breathing document", subject to the whims of simple majorities and unelected judges. The Founders foresaw your cheating and lying about the Constitution and wrote about it.

Liberals ignore the enumerated powers and lie about a nonexistent "general welfare clause" that allows the federal government to do anything. This fact is exemplified with ObamaCare. Instead of going through an amendment process which will surely fail they managed to obtain, for two short years, control of the presidency and both houses of congress. In that short time they passed a far-reaching law that affects every person residing in the US in the most personal and unlimited way possible.

The feds now claim to have power over your right to live or die. And you, as a liberal, enjoy that.
 
It would be nice for you if you or Galbraith got to choose the definition of conservatism, but that's not how it works. The modern definition of conservatism with respect to politics is simple: we want the federal government to be limited, and required to abide by its founding documents. We believe as our Founders did that man is endowed by his Creator with certain rights and that government is instituted by men for the sole purpose of protecting those rights. The Constitution limits the federal government to certain enumerated powers and if men want the government to do more than they must amend the Constitution through the amendment process. The amendment process is onerous for a reason; a large majority must want the change to occur.

Liberals, in contrast, don't want to bother with the onerous amendment process. So they cheat. They claim the Constitution is a "living, breathing document", subject to the whims of simple majorities and unelected judges. The Founders foresaw your cheating and lying about the Constitution and wrote about it.

Liberals ignore the enumerated powers and lie about a nonexistent "general welfare clause" that allows the federal government to do anything. This fact is exemplified with ObamaCare. Instead of going through an amendment process which will surely fail they managed to obtain, for two short years, control of the presidency and both houses of congress. In that short time they passed a far-reaching law that affects every person residing in the US in the most personal and unlimited way possible.

The feds now claim to have power over your right to live or die. And you, as a liberal, enjoy that.

So you are indignant that 'you or Galbraith got to choose the definition of conservatism, but that's not how it works.' Then YOU choose to define liberals.

WOW, talk about obtuse ignorance.

"The idea that institutions established for the use of the nation cannot be touched nor modified even to make them answer their end because of rights gratuitously supposed in those employed to manage them in trust for the public, may perhaps be a salutary provision against the abuses of a monarch but is most absurd against the nation itself. Yet our lawyers and priests generally inculcate this doctrine and suppose that preceding generations held the earth more freely than we do, had a right to impose laws on us unalterable by ourselves, and that we in like manner can make laws and impose burdens on future generations which they will have no right to alter; in fine, that the earth belongs to the dead and not the living." --Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816. ME 15:46

"I set out on this ground which I suppose to be self-evident: 'That the earth belongs in usufruct to the living;' that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it... We seem not to have perceived that by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independent nation to another." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:454, Papers 15:392
 
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