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christiefan915 said:
You have to laugh at them thinking trumpers wouldn't cheat at drop boxes or voting. When you look at the individual instances of cheating in the 2020 election, it was largely done by trumpers.
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Yep. And lest we forget, they attempted to cheat in the entire election via false electors, multiple recounts, pressure on state officials to "find more votes," and of course -- the insurrection of January 6.
 
ExpressLane said:
If you send a the registrar a photocopy of your ID and a signature I and they send you a ballot . I don't have an issue with you casting a ballot.

But sending out a ballot to the address of every voter on the voter rolls...Oh hell no. To many people move and no longer live at the address on the rolls. There are multiple cases of people getting multiple ballots just sent to their address. Anyone that would vote for brain dead Joe Biden would be dishonest enough to cast multiple votes.
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Doesn't happen, Little Red Hen. Gods, the Reichwing Trump Cult got some major stupid. lol
 
ExpressLane said:
Explain how
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OMG. Again with 9th grade civics?

1. You go register to vote. You must show both ID and proof of residency.

2. You fill out a card with your information, including your signature.

3. At your request, your voting precinct sends you a ballot. The ballot comes with two envelopes. One is for the ballot and goes inside the other which has free postage and the address of your precint. Both envelopes require your signature.

4. Your ballot arrives at the address where votes will be tabulated. The outer envelope is opened and the inner envelope's signature and other info is checked against the exact same book you see on the desk when you vote in person. If the signatures don't match, the ballot is set aside and the voter is notified. The ballot will be destroyed if you don't follow the legal steps to verify your ballot.
 
Drop boxes are very safe. However, you cannot stuff them. Mail-in safe because they are forwarded to the precinct on the envelope and go through the normal safe system. Idiots like Gardner should volunteer for an election. Claiming they result in bad votes is simply wrong. It is the equivalent of saying China dropped off millions of votes and left bamboo traces on them. The stupidity of rightys is exhausting.
 
We need to go back to voting in person unless there is a true exception and the person has requested a mail-in ballot in advance.
Absolutely NO month of voting.
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ExpressLane said:
If you send a the registrar a photocopy of your ID and a signature I and they send you a ballot . I don't have an issue with you casting a ballot.

But sending out a ballot to the address of every voter on the voter rolls...Oh hell no. To many people move and no longer live at the address on the rolls. There are multiple cases of people getting multiple ballots just sent to their address. Anyone that would vote for brain dead Joe Biden would be dishonest enough to cast multiple votes.
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Explain please how “casting multiple votes” would be accomplished; “casting” meaning both submitting a vote and having it counted.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
OMG. Again with 9th grade civics?

1. You go register to vote. You must show both ID and proof of residency.

2. You fill out a card with your information, including your signature.

3. At your request, your voting precinct sends you a ballot. The ballot comes with two envelopes. One is for the ballot and goes inside the other which has free postage and the address of your precint. Both envelopes require your signature.

4. Your ballot arrives at the address where votes will be tabulated. The outer envelope is opened and the inner envelope's signature and other info is checked against the exact same book you see on the desk when you vote in person. If the signatures don't match, the ballot is set aside and the voter is notified. The ballot will be destroyed if you don't follow the legal steps to verify your ballot.
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No free postage here. :mad: But everything else is the same for us.
 
martin said:
Explain please how “casting multiple votes” would be accomplished; “casting” meaning both submitting a vote and having it counted.
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One way people in a mail-in ballot election with weeks of voting can cast multiple ballots is simply register to vote in multiple states.

They then work with others doing the same thing such that the address--remember, the ballot goes to an address, not a person--they use is their co-conspirators. What the people in this conspiracy do is collect the ballots sent to those in other states locally and then re-mail them to the person they were intended to receive wherever they might be.

The person on the ballot, in some other state, fills it out and mails it back to their co-conspirator in the state of origin. That person then mails it in.

In the 2016 election there was a case of this being done between people in Ohio and Arizona where 24 people (between the two states) got ballots mailed to them and then voted in both states.

Yes, that's a small number but it is voter fraud, and it shows the weakness of mail-in ballot elections. There is ZERO control on the ballots. With weeks to operate in, this is possible. This sort of fraud is IMPOSSIBLE in a vote in person, ID required, election.
 
martin said:
Explain please how “casting multiple votes” would be accomplished; “casting” meaning both submitting a vote and having it counted.
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Oh shit! He’s going to give you a laundry list of bizarre “could haves” that will twist your brain in knots trying to figure out how and why ANYBODY would go to those measures.
 
ExpressLane said:
Nope we just don't want easier access to illegal voting.
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You are full of shit on that. The Republicans want as few people voting as possible, because that increases their chances of winning. A larger vote seems always to work against them. And of course, they attribute that to cheating, despite the fact that most cheating that is discovered (and some will be discovered) is done by the right wing.

No big deal. The cheating is never going to be big enough to change things in today's elections.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
One way people in a mail-in ballot election with weeks of voting can cast multiple ballots is simply register to vote in multiple states.

They then work with others doing the same thing such that the address--remember, the ballot goes to an address, not a person--they use is their co-conspirators. What the people in this conspiracy do is collect the ballots sent to those in other states locally and then re-mail them to the person they were intended to receive wherever they might be.

The person on the ballot, in some other state, fills it out and mails it back to their co-conspirator in the state of origin. That person then mails it in.

In the 2016 election there was a case of this being done between people in Ohio and Arizona where 24 people (between the two states) got ballots mailed to them and then voted in both states.

Yes, that's a small number but it is voter fraud, and it shows the weakness of mail-in ballot elections. There is ZERO control on the ballots. With weeks to operate in, this is possible. This sort of fraud is IMPOSSIBLE in a vote in person, ID required, election.
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The question was has there ever been a case of proven significant fraud. So far your answer is no.

Assuming your story is true and not an Internet invention it shows the strength of the system, not a weakness. Resorting to an arrangement that convoluted can never enable a significant level of fraud yet that was the arrangement deemed workable.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
One way people in a mail-in ballot election with weeks of voting can cast multiple ballots is simply register to vote in multiple states.

They then work with others doing the same thing such that the address--remember, the ballot goes to an address, not a person--they use is their co-conspirators. What the people in this conspiracy do is collect the ballots sent to those in other states locally and then re-mail them to the person they were intended to receive wherever they might be.

The person on the ballot, in some other state, fills it out and mails it back to their co-conspirator in the state of origin. That person then mails it in.

In the 2016 election there was a case of this being done between people in Ohio and Arizona where 24 people (between the two states) got ballots mailed to them and then voted in both states.

Yes, that's a small number but it is voter fraud, and it shows the weakness of mail-in ballot elections. There is ZERO control on the ballots. With weeks to operate in, this is possible. This sort of fraud is IMPOSSIBLE in a vote in person, ID required, election.
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That's just hilarious.

My kids and I all live in five different states. Let's say we are all register to vote where we live. They get their mail-in ballots and send them to me so that I can submit them to our township's election authority, and hopefully influence this swing state's vote with them.

1. The ballots won't be alike; ballots are individualized for each locale's races.
2. The ballots will be rejected because the owners' are not registered to vote here.
3. The only thing your screed above got right is that even the attempt to submit false ballots is fraud.

Let's pretend that I am a desperate MAGAT. I learn when the ballots are mailed out because my friend is the postmaster at our tiny little post office (which is true btw). I go around and grab the ballots out of neighbors' mailboxes before they can get them. I fill them out for Trump and the rest of the MAGAT clown show candidates. I mail them all in. Now tell me how I can forge my neighbors' signatures on both envelopes, good enough to match their signatures in the registered voter books the township election authority has? You can't because I can't.

Another #StopTheLibsFromVoting fail. :laugh:
 
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