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goat said:
The only ones being represented are the oligarchs.
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Guille said:
True. Why do you think that is?
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Oh, pick me! Pick me!

We the People allow the oligarchs to do our thinking for us ... because we're to lazy to do it for ourselves. The Oligarchs discovered long ago that We the People will give away our money, our personal data and our political voice for meaningless free shit that is oh, so very convenient right now in the moment. Oligarchs discovered long ago that it's not the voters casting ballots who decide elections, but those who "count" the votes, specifically after the polls close and the regular poll station workers have left, who ultimately decide the elections. Oligarchs discovered that We the People simply believe everything we read, no matter how stupid, if it is called a "study." Oligarchs discovered that having only one political party, i.e. theirs, makes controlling We the People a trivial matter, especially if that party seems on the surface to be two separate, diametrically opposed parties. Oligarchs go ever unchallenged because We the People consider it legitimate for the Supreme Court to simply refuse to do their jobs and to simply decide to "refuse to hear" cases that are their responsibility to try.

Oligarchs discovered that We the People are fucking spineless, clueless and oblivious.

The above is the condensed version. The full version is too lengthy for a post.
 
IBDaMann said:
Oh, pick me! Pick me!

We the People allow the oligarchs to do our thinking for us ... because we're to lazy to do it for ourselves. The Oligarchs discovered long ago that We the People will give away our money, our personal data and our political voice for meaningless free shit that is oh, so very convenient right now in the moment. Oligarchs discovered long ago that it's not the voters casting ballots who decide elections, but those who "count" the votes, specifically after the polls close and the regular poll station workers have left, who ultimately decide the elections. Oligarchs discovered that We the People simply believe everything we read, no matter how stupid, if it is called a "study." Oligarchs discovered that having only one political party, i.e. theirs, makes controlling We the People a trivial matter, especially if that party seems on the surface to be two separate, diametrically opposed parties. Oligarchs go ever unchallenged because We the People consider it legitimate for the Supreme Court to simply refuse to do their jobs and to simply decide to "refuse to hear" cases that are their responsibility to try.

Oligarchs discovered that We the People are fucking spineless, clueless and oblivious.

The above is the condensed version. The full version is too lengthy for a post.
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Yep, pretty much. IOW, the problem isn't the oligarchs, it is us.
 
Guille said:
Yep, pretty much. IOW, the problem isn't the oligarchs, it is us.
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IBDaMann said:
Oh, pick me! Pick me!

We the People allow the oligarchs to do our thinking for us ... because we're to lazy to do it for ourselves. The Oligarchs discovered long ago that We the People will give away our money, our personal data and our political voice for meaningless free shit that is oh, so very convenient right now in the moment. Oligarchs discovered long ago that it's not the voters casting ballots who decide elections, but those who "count" the votes, specifically after the polls close and the regular poll station workers have left, who ultimately decide the elections. Oligarchs discovered that We the People simply believe everything we read, no matter how stupid, if it is called a "study." Oligarchs discovered that having only one political party, i.e. theirs, makes controlling We the People a trivial matter, especially if that party seems on the surface to be two separate, diametrically opposed parties. Oligarchs go ever unchallenged because We the People consider it legitimate for the Supreme Court to simply refuse to do their jobs and to simply decide to "refuse to hear" cases that are their responsibility to try.

Oligarchs discovered that We the People are fucking spineless, clueless and oblivious.

The above is the condensed version. The full version is too lengthy for a post.
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No hierarchy is an important part of Anarchism. Brits, Canadians and Aussies are subservient to the monarchy. We used to be able to walk right up to the white house with a grievance.

I lived in parts of the country without a police force or mayor. That's real freedom.
 
goat said:
No hierarchy is an important part of Anarchism. Brits, Canadians and Aussies are subservient to the monarchy. We used to be able to walk right up to the white house with a grievance.

I lived in parts of the country without a police force or mayor. That's real freedom.
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So we finally arrive at the grand contradiction of your position.

1. Freedom necessarily requires a completely free market, where the supply-demand curve freely arrives at price realization.

2. Tyranny seeks to control/enslave the people through rigid lockdown control of the market, seeking to artificially determine price realization, and impose price prohibition.

You claim to want freedom, yet you advocate for #2 while demonizing #1.

Ergo you claim to want freedom but you ardently advocate for tyranny. You were gullible at some point due to your severe ignorance of economics, and someone you decided to trust took advantage of your gullibility and got you advocating for tyranny in the name of freedom.

So, the correct response to you is for you to become educated in economics, not remain totally ignorant and gullible, and to align your advocacy to freedom and away from tyranny
 
IBDaMann said:
So we finally arrive at the grand contradiction of your position.

1. Freedom necessarily requires a completely free market, where the supply-demand curve freely arrives at price realization.

2. Tyranny seeks to control/enslave the people through rigid lockdown control of the market, seeking to artificially determine price realization, and impose price prohibition.

You claim to want freedom, yet you advocate for #2 while demonizing #1.

Ergo you claim to want freedom but you ardently advocate for tyranny. You were gullible at some point due to your severe ignorance of economics, and someone you decided to trust took advantage of your gullibility and got you advocating for tyranny in the name of freedom.

So, the correct response to you is for you to become educated in economics, not remain totally ignorant and gullible, and to align your advocacy to freedom and away from tyranny
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How is no police or mayor tyranny? All you do is talk out of your ass.
 
goat said:
How is no police or mayor tyranny? All you do is talk out of your ass.
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How does Marxism promote a free market? (answer: it doesn't, it seeks to crush all free markets, referring to free trade as "unconscionable" and "exloitation" whereas tyranny is referred to as "numberless and indefeasible chartered freedoms"). You fell for it and you have no one else to blame but yourself.

Without free markets, there is no freedom, there is only tyranny.

You advocate to crush all free markets and thus, all freedom. All your talk about freedom being important is coming out of your ass. All of your advocacy is for tyranny.

Learn economics. Your laziness does not excuse your advocacy for tyranny. Your accomanying calls for freedom make you look stupid.
 
IBDaMann said:
How does Marxism promote a free market? (answer: it doesn't, it seeks to crush all free markets, referring to free trade as "unconscionable" and "exloitation" whereas tyranny is referred to as "numberless and indefeasible chartered freedoms"). You fell for it and you have no one else to blame but yourself.

Without free markets, there is no freedom, there is only tyranny.

You advocate to crush all free markets and thus, all freedom. All your talk about freedom being important is coming out of your ass. All of your advocacy is for tyranny.

Learn economics. Your laziness does not excuse your advocacy for tyranny. Your accomanying calls for freedom make you look stupid.
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Read the summary of Capital volume 1 section 1. Even that will be too difficult for you to understand.
 
goat said:
What is your quick overview of Capital volume 1 section 1?
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Are you asking me to teach you? It's OK if you are, but you're asking a lot by saying "What is your quick overview?" ... considering your understanding of economics is virtually nonexistent. You should take a few minutes and make yourself an expert on the supply-demand curve. Then watch this video:


The answer to your question is that Das Kapital Volume 1 Section 1 is Karl Marx's feeble struggle to understand the material in the video above, except that Marx was more lost than you are. He flailed in trying to understand "value", and sometimes confused it for "price." In any event, that chapter/volume is a blunder. Learn the supply-demand curve and you will have a much better and more accurate understanding that what you will get from Das Kapital.
 
IBDaMann said:
Are you asking me to teach you? It's OK if you are, but you're asking a lot by saying "What is your quick overview?" ... considering your understanding of economics is virtually nonexistent. You should take a few minutes and make yourself an expert on the supply-demand curve. Then watch this video:

The answer to your question is that Das Kapital Volume 1 Section 1 is Karl Marx's feeble struggle to understand the material in the video above, except that Marx was more lost than you are. He flailed in trying to understand "value", and sometimes confused it for "price." In any event, that chapter/volume is a blunder. Learn the supply-demand curve and you will have a much better and more accurate understanding that what you will get from Das Kapital.
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Edward Bernays created demand and Steve Jobs perfected it. Tech is laying off because demand is down. Even Henery Ford knew he had to pay his workers enough to be able to afford a car. Marx taught us that humans are not commodities. We need to be part of the process and paid for our value.

Workers had a saying in the Soviet bloc: as long as they keep pretending to pay us, we'll keep pretending to work. That's where the US gig economy is at today. How long has QE been going on now? yet the banksters bankrupted 'capitalism' again.
 
goat said:
Marx taught us that humans are not commodities. We need to be part of the process and paid for our value.
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Marx taught that labor is not a commodity. Marx was incorrect. End of story.

You assert that all employees need to be part of "the process" ... whatever that is. If you ever define this "the process" you will be incorrect.
You assert that employees need to be paid some artificially established wage that is something other than to what the two parties agree. You are incorrect.

Do you have any other questions? I see from your statements above that you aren't going to rush right out and make yourself an expert on the supply-demand curve as I had recommended, so you won't be surprised when people roll their eyes at the stupid things you write.
 
IBDaMann said:
Marx taught that labor is not a commodity. Marx was incorrect. End of story.

You assert that all employees need to be part of "the process" ... whatever that is. If you ever define this "the process" you will be incorrect.
You assert that employees need to be paid some artificially established wage that is something other than to what the two parties agree. You are incorrect.

Do you have any other questions? I see from your statements above that you aren't going to rush right out and make yourself an expert on the supply-demand curve as I had recommended, so you won't be surprised when people roll their eyes at the stupid things you write.
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What we know for fact is capitalism is bankrupt again and need another bailout.
 
goat said:
What we know for fact is capitalism is bankrupt again and need another bailout.
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What we know is:
* you don't know what a fact is
* you don't know what capitalism is
* you have no idea what you are talking about
* you mistakenly think economics is something that can go bankrupt
* you have no intention of elevating your level of discourse above the level of gibberish
 
IBDaMann said:
What we know is:
* you don't know what a fact is
* you don't know what capitalism is
* you have no idea what you are talking about
* you mistakenly think economics is something that can go bankrupt
* you have no intention of elevating your level of discourse above the level of gibberish
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I know capitalism went bankrupt in 2007 and have been kept buoyant for 14 years with endless QE and low interest rates. The treasury and the fed are insolvent. All the tech engineers will be headed back to India. That means this Greater Depression will be long and deep.
 
goat said:
I know capitalism went bankrupt in 2007
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No, you don't know this. Economics principles can't go bankrupt. Imagine people rolling their eyes at the stupid thing you just wrote.

goat said:
The treasury and the fed are insolvent.
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1. What do you believe that even means?
2. What has that got to do with your advocacy for tyranny?

goat said:
All the tech engineers will be headed back to India.
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You are babbling at this point.
 
IBDaMann said:
No, you don't know this. Economics principles can't go bankrupt. Imagine people rolling their eyes at the stupid thing you just wrote.


1. What do you believe that even means?
2. What has that got to do with your advocacy for tyranny?


You are babbling at this point.
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It all goes back to 2008-2009 when no bankster was prosecuted. 'Capitalism' is a failed system.
 
Guille said:
It's not failed and it's not a "system."

We have a crooked government problem.
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Imperialism and crony capitalism is a system. Why does the CIA have to go in and coup socialists governments? It's because they nationalize their natural resources and use the profits to bring the people out of poverty.

The US is basically a banana republic ruled by a handful of elites.
 
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