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By calling him a murderer, you appear to be rewriting the definition.
Is this your standard way of trying to get your point across?
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By calling him a murderer, you appear to be rewriting the definition.
Is this your standard way of trying to get your point across?
tekkychick
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Would you prefer he is an accessory to murder?
I don't understand how killing people - even very bad people -makes us a more just society.
tekkychick
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Would you prefer he is an accessory to murder?
I don't understand how killing people - even very bad people -makes us a more just society.
tekkychick
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apologize for double post; not sure how to delete
You sinner
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
My last vote in New York as I was leaving was against Cuomo, who vetoed the death penalty 13 years in a row. Murders and other vicious crime went down immediately. So yes, it makes a safer and more just society.
In the end the state shouldn't have a dead penalty at all. Giving that much power to the state regardless to how good the judicial system may be is simply unjust. A jury will never be perfect and so to rely someone's life on an imperfect system which now might have racial discrimination because they can't prove that there was racial bias and get the lighter sentence of life in prison. The judicial system needs reform and repealing laws that help to make the judicial system slightly more just isn't the way to do it.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
What if you have a very high standard of proof, like physical evidence?
tekkychick
New member
Try reading "The Innocent Man" by John Grisham - a look at a couple death penalty cases in which innocent people were convicted. Police ineptitude and corruption is hard to legislate away.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
No one want to convict an innocent man, so it's silly to suggest otherwise.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Again, that's why I advocate a very high standard of proof for the ultimate penalty, along with swift justice.
maineman
Banned
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates#United_States
United States [edit]
1930-1939 [edit]
1937
1.Willie Roberson, Olen Montgomery, Eugene Williams, and Roy Wright Alabama. Convicted 1931.
1970-1979 [edit]
1973
1. David Keaton Florida (Keaton v. State, 273 So.2d 385 (1973)). Convicted 1971.
1974
2. Samuel A. Poole North Carolina (State v. Poole, 203 S.E.2d 786 (N.C. 1974)). Convicted 1973.
1975
3. Wilbert Lee Florida (Pitts v. State 247 So.2d 53 (Fla. 1971), overturned and released by pardon in 1975). Convicted 1963.
4. Freddie Pitts Florida (Pitts v. State 247 So.2d 53 (Fla. 1971), overturned and released by pardon in 1975). Convicted 1965.
5. James Creamer Georgia (Emmett v. Ricketts, 397 F. Supp 1025 (N.D. Ga. 1975)). Convicted 1973.
6. Christopher Spicer North Carolina (State v. Spicer, 204 SE 2d 641 (1974)). Convicted 1973.
1976
7. Clarence Norris Alabama. Convicted 1931.
8. Thomas Gladish New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
9. Richard Greer New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
10. Ronald Keine New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
11. Clarence Smith New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
1977
11. Delbert Tibbs Florida. Convicted 1974.
1978
12. Earl Charles Georgia. Convicted 1975.
13. Jonathan Treadway Arizona. Convicted 1975.
1979
14. Gary Beeman Ohio. Convicted 1976.
1980-1989 [edit]
1980
15. Jerry Banks.
16. Larry Hicks.
1981
17. Charles Ray Giddens.
18. Michael Linder.
19. Johnny Ross.
20. Ernest (Shuhaa) Graham.
1982
21. Annibal Jaramillo.
22. Lawyer Johnson Massachusetts (Commonwealth v. Johnson, 429 N.E.2d 726 (1982)). Convicted 1971.
1985
23. Larry Fisher.
1986
24. Anthony Brown.
25. Neil Ferber.
26. Clifford Henry Bowen.
1987
27. Joseph Green Brown.
28. Perry Cobb.
29. Darby (Williams) Tillis.
30. Vernon McManus.
31. Anthony Ray Peek.
32. Juan Ramos.
33. Robert Wallace.
1988
34. Richard Neal Jones.
35. Willie Brown.
36. Larry Troy.
1989
37. Randall Dale Adams Texas (Ex Parte Adams, 768 S.W.2d 281) (Tex. Crim App. 1989). Convicted 1977.[2][3]
38. Robert Cox.
39. James Richardson.
On April 8, 2010, former death row inmate Timothy B. Hennis, once exonerated in 1989, was reconvicted of a triple murder, thereby dropping him from the list of those exonerated. [1] Sentenced to death by military court-martial 15 April 2010
1990-1999 [edit]
1990
40. Clarence Brandley Texas (Ex Parte Brandley, 781 S.W.2d 886 (Tex. Crim App. 1989). Convicted 1981.
41. John C. Skelton.
42. Dale Johnston.
43. Jimmy Lee Mathers.
1991
44. Gary Nelson.
45. Bradley P. Scott.
46. Charles Smith.
1992
47. Jay C. Smith Pennsylvania. Convicted 1986.
1993
48. Kirk Bloodsworth Maryland. Convicted 1984. Exonerated 1993; first prisoner to be exonerated by DNA evidence. Serving life in prison when exonerated, as earlier death sentence was overturned.
49. Federico M. Macias.
50. Walter McMillan.
51. Gregory R. Wilhoit Oklahoma. Convicted 1987. Along with Ron Williamson, Wilhoit later became the subject of John Grisham's 2006 non-fiction book The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town.[4]
52. James Robison.
53. Muneer Deeb.
1994
54. Andrew Golden.
1995
55. Adolph Munson.
56. Robert Charles Cruz.
57. Rolando Cruz.
58. Alejandro Hernández.
59. Sabrina Butler.
1996
60. Joseph Burrows. Joseph Burrows was released from death row after his attorney Kathleen Zellner persuaded the real killer to confess at the post-conviction hearing, and Peter Rooney, a reporter for the Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette, obtained a recantation from a key witness. [2]. The Burrows case was the subject of a book by Rooney titled "Die Free: A True Story of Murder, Betrayal and Miscarried Justice" [3]
61. Verneal Jimerson.
62. Dennis Williams.
63. Roberto Miranda.
64. Gary Gauger
65. Troy Lee Jones.
66. Carl Lawson.
67. David Wayne Grannis.
1997
68. Ricardo Aldape Guerra.
69. Benjamin Harris.
70. Robert Hayes.
71. Christopher McCrimmon.
72. Randall Padgett.
It is later revealed, through additional research by Prof. Samuel Gross of the University of Michigan, that though James Bo Cochran was acquitted of murder, he did plead guilty to a robbery charge in an agreement made with prosecutors prior to his release. Therefore, Cochran is no longer on the list of those exonerated from death row. [4]
1998
73. Robert Lee Miller, Jr.
74. Curtis Kyles.
1999
75. Shareef Cousin Louisiana (Louisiana v. Cousin, 710 So. 2d 1065 (1998)). Convicted 1996.
76. Anthony Porter Illinois. Convicted 1983.
77. Steven Smith.
78. Ronald Williamson Oklahoma. Convicted 1988. Along with Gregory R. Wilhoit, Williamson later became the inspiration for and subject of John Grisham's 2006 non-fiction book The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town.[4]
79. Ronald Jones.
80. Clarence Dexter, Jr.
81. Warren Douglas Manning.
82. Alfred Rivera.
2000-2009 [edit]
2000
83. Steve Manning.
84. Eric Clemmons.
85. Joseph Nahume Green.
86. Earl Washington Virginia (pardoned). Convicted 1994 (1984, without life sentence).
87. William Nieves.
88. Frank Lee Smith (died prior to exoneration).
89. Michael Graham.
90. Albert Burrell.
91. Oscar Lee Morris.
2001
92. Peter Limone.
93. Gary Drinkard.
94. Joachin José Martínez.
95. Jeremy Sheets.
96. Charles Fain.
2002
97. Juan Roberto Melendez-Colon Florida. Convicted 1984.
98. Ray Krone Arizona (State v. Krone, 897 P.2d 621 (Ariz. 1995) (en banc)). Convicted 1992.
99. Thomas Kimbell, Jr.
100. Larry Osborne.
2003
101. Aaron Patterson.
102. Madison Hobley.
103. Leroy Orange.
104. Stanley Howard.
105. Rudolph Holton.
106. Lemuel Prion.
107. Wesley Quick.
108. John Thompson.
109. Timothy Howard Ohio. Convicted 1976.
110. Gary Lamar James Ohio. Convicted 1976.
111. Joseph Amrine.
112. Nicholas Yarris Pennsylvania (Pennsylvania v. Yarris, No 690-OF1982, Court of Common Pleas, Delaware County, September 3, 2003. Order vacating conviction). Convicted 1982.
2004
113. Alan Gell.
114. Gordon Steidl.
115. Laurence Adams.
116. Dan L. Bright.
117. Ryan Matthews.
118. Ernest Ray Willis.
2005
119. Derrick Jamison.
120. Harold Wilson.
2006
121. John Ballard.
2007
122. Curtis McCarty.
123. Michael McCormick.
124. Jonathon Hoffman.
2008
125. Kennedy Brewer Mississippi. Convicted 1995.
126. Glen Edward Chapman North Carolina. Convicted 1995.
127. Levon "Bo" Jones[5] North Carolina. Convicted 1993.
128. Michael Blair Texas.
2009
129. Nathson Fields Illinois. Convicted 1986.
130. Paul House Tennessee. Convicted 1986.
131. Daniel Wade Moore Alabama. Convicted 2002.
132. Ronald Kitchen Illinois. Convicted 1988.
133. Herman Lindsey Florida. Convicted 2006.
134. Michael Toney Texas. Convicted 1999. (Toney later died in a car accident on October 3, 2009, just one month and a day after his exoneration.).[6]
135. Yancy Douglas Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
136. Paris Powell Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
137. Robert Springsteen Texas. Convicted 2001.
2010-2012 [edit]
2010
138. Joe D'Ambrosio Ohio. Convicted 1989. (While he was freed in 2010, but not yet exonerated, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal by the state of Ohio challenging the unconditional writ of habeas corpus and bar to D'Ambrosio's re-prosecution on January 23, 2012, nearly 2 years later, making D'Ambrosio the 140th death row exoneree since 1973. [5])
139. Anthony Graves Texas. Convicted 1994.
2011
140. Gussie Vann Tennessee. Convicted 1994.
141. Damien Echols. Convicted in 1994 for taking part in the killing of three young boys in West Memphis, released from prison/death row after accepting an Alford plea.
2012
141. Damon Thibodeaux Louisiana. Convicted 1997.
142. Seth Penalver Florida. Convicted 1994.
United States [edit]
1930-1939 [edit]
1937
1.Willie Roberson, Olen Montgomery, Eugene Williams, and Roy Wright Alabama. Convicted 1931.
1970-1979 [edit]
1973
1. David Keaton Florida (Keaton v. State, 273 So.2d 385 (1973)). Convicted 1971.
1974
2. Samuel A. Poole North Carolina (State v. Poole, 203 S.E.2d 786 (N.C. 1974)). Convicted 1973.
1975
3. Wilbert Lee Florida (Pitts v. State 247 So.2d 53 (Fla. 1971), overturned and released by pardon in 1975). Convicted 1963.
4. Freddie Pitts Florida (Pitts v. State 247 So.2d 53 (Fla. 1971), overturned and released by pardon in 1975). Convicted 1965.
5. James Creamer Georgia (Emmett v. Ricketts, 397 F. Supp 1025 (N.D. Ga. 1975)). Convicted 1973.
6. Christopher Spicer North Carolina (State v. Spicer, 204 SE 2d 641 (1974)). Convicted 1973.
1976
7. Clarence Norris Alabama. Convicted 1931.
8. Thomas Gladish New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
9. Richard Greer New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
10. Ronald Keine New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
11. Clarence Smith New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
1977
11. Delbert Tibbs Florida. Convicted 1974.
1978
12. Earl Charles Georgia. Convicted 1975.
13. Jonathan Treadway Arizona. Convicted 1975.
1979
14. Gary Beeman Ohio. Convicted 1976.
1980-1989 [edit]
1980
15. Jerry Banks.
16. Larry Hicks.
1981
17. Charles Ray Giddens.
18. Michael Linder.
19. Johnny Ross.
20. Ernest (Shuhaa) Graham.
1982
21. Annibal Jaramillo.
22. Lawyer Johnson Massachusetts (Commonwealth v. Johnson, 429 N.E.2d 726 (1982)). Convicted 1971.
1985
23. Larry Fisher.
1986
24. Anthony Brown.
25. Neil Ferber.
26. Clifford Henry Bowen.
1987
27. Joseph Green Brown.
28. Perry Cobb.
29. Darby (Williams) Tillis.
30. Vernon McManus.
31. Anthony Ray Peek.
32. Juan Ramos.
33. Robert Wallace.
1988
34. Richard Neal Jones.
35. Willie Brown.
36. Larry Troy.
1989
37. Randall Dale Adams Texas (Ex Parte Adams, 768 S.W.2d 281) (Tex. Crim App. 1989). Convicted 1977.[2][3]
38. Robert Cox.
39. James Richardson.
On April 8, 2010, former death row inmate Timothy B. Hennis, once exonerated in 1989, was reconvicted of a triple murder, thereby dropping him from the list of those exonerated. [1] Sentenced to death by military court-martial 15 April 2010
1990-1999 [edit]
1990
40. Clarence Brandley Texas (Ex Parte Brandley, 781 S.W.2d 886 (Tex. Crim App. 1989). Convicted 1981.
41. John C. Skelton.
42. Dale Johnston.
43. Jimmy Lee Mathers.
1991
44. Gary Nelson.
45. Bradley P. Scott.
46. Charles Smith.
1992
47. Jay C. Smith Pennsylvania. Convicted 1986.
1993
48. Kirk Bloodsworth Maryland. Convicted 1984. Exonerated 1993; first prisoner to be exonerated by DNA evidence. Serving life in prison when exonerated, as earlier death sentence was overturned.
49. Federico M. Macias.
50. Walter McMillan.
51. Gregory R. Wilhoit Oklahoma. Convicted 1987. Along with Ron Williamson, Wilhoit later became the subject of John Grisham's 2006 non-fiction book The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town.[4]
52. James Robison.
53. Muneer Deeb.
1994
54. Andrew Golden.
1995
55. Adolph Munson.
56. Robert Charles Cruz.
57. Rolando Cruz.
58. Alejandro Hernández.
59. Sabrina Butler.
1996
60. Joseph Burrows. Joseph Burrows was released from death row after his attorney Kathleen Zellner persuaded the real killer to confess at the post-conviction hearing, and Peter Rooney, a reporter for the Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette, obtained a recantation from a key witness. [2]. The Burrows case was the subject of a book by Rooney titled "Die Free: A True Story of Murder, Betrayal and Miscarried Justice" [3]
61. Verneal Jimerson.
62. Dennis Williams.
63. Roberto Miranda.
64. Gary Gauger
65. Troy Lee Jones.
66. Carl Lawson.
67. David Wayne Grannis.
1997
68. Ricardo Aldape Guerra.
69. Benjamin Harris.
70. Robert Hayes.
71. Christopher McCrimmon.
72. Randall Padgett.
It is later revealed, through additional research by Prof. Samuel Gross of the University of Michigan, that though James Bo Cochran was acquitted of murder, he did plead guilty to a robbery charge in an agreement made with prosecutors prior to his release. Therefore, Cochran is no longer on the list of those exonerated from death row. [4]
1998
73. Robert Lee Miller, Jr.
74. Curtis Kyles.
1999
75. Shareef Cousin Louisiana (Louisiana v. Cousin, 710 So. 2d 1065 (1998)). Convicted 1996.
76. Anthony Porter Illinois. Convicted 1983.
77. Steven Smith.
78. Ronald Williamson Oklahoma. Convicted 1988. Along with Gregory R. Wilhoit, Williamson later became the inspiration for and subject of John Grisham's 2006 non-fiction book The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town.[4]
79. Ronald Jones.
80. Clarence Dexter, Jr.
81. Warren Douglas Manning.
82. Alfred Rivera.
2000-2009 [edit]
2000
83. Steve Manning.
84. Eric Clemmons.
85. Joseph Nahume Green.
86. Earl Washington Virginia (pardoned). Convicted 1994 (1984, without life sentence).
87. William Nieves.
88. Frank Lee Smith (died prior to exoneration).
89. Michael Graham.
90. Albert Burrell.
91. Oscar Lee Morris.
2001
92. Peter Limone.
93. Gary Drinkard.
94. Joachin José Martínez.
95. Jeremy Sheets.
96. Charles Fain.
2002
97. Juan Roberto Melendez-Colon Florida. Convicted 1984.
98. Ray Krone Arizona (State v. Krone, 897 P.2d 621 (Ariz. 1995) (en banc)). Convicted 1992.
99. Thomas Kimbell, Jr.
100. Larry Osborne.
2003
101. Aaron Patterson.
102. Madison Hobley.
103. Leroy Orange.
104. Stanley Howard.
105. Rudolph Holton.
106. Lemuel Prion.
107. Wesley Quick.
108. John Thompson.
109. Timothy Howard Ohio. Convicted 1976.
110. Gary Lamar James Ohio. Convicted 1976.
111. Joseph Amrine.
112. Nicholas Yarris Pennsylvania (Pennsylvania v. Yarris, No 690-OF1982, Court of Common Pleas, Delaware County, September 3, 2003. Order vacating conviction). Convicted 1982.
2004
113. Alan Gell.
114. Gordon Steidl.
115. Laurence Adams.
116. Dan L. Bright.
117. Ryan Matthews.
118. Ernest Ray Willis.
2005
119. Derrick Jamison.
120. Harold Wilson.
2006
121. John Ballard.
2007
122. Curtis McCarty.
123. Michael McCormick.
124. Jonathon Hoffman.
2008
125. Kennedy Brewer Mississippi. Convicted 1995.
126. Glen Edward Chapman North Carolina. Convicted 1995.
127. Levon "Bo" Jones[5] North Carolina. Convicted 1993.
128. Michael Blair Texas.
2009
129. Nathson Fields Illinois. Convicted 1986.
130. Paul House Tennessee. Convicted 1986.
131. Daniel Wade Moore Alabama. Convicted 2002.
132. Ronald Kitchen Illinois. Convicted 1988.
133. Herman Lindsey Florida. Convicted 2006.
134. Michael Toney Texas. Convicted 1999. (Toney later died in a car accident on October 3, 2009, just one month and a day after his exoneration.).[6]
135. Yancy Douglas Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
136. Paris Powell Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
137. Robert Springsteen Texas. Convicted 2001.
2010-2012 [edit]
2010
138. Joe D'Ambrosio Ohio. Convicted 1989. (While he was freed in 2010, but not yet exonerated, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal by the state of Ohio challenging the unconditional writ of habeas corpus and bar to D'Ambrosio's re-prosecution on January 23, 2012, nearly 2 years later, making D'Ambrosio the 140th death row exoneree since 1973. [5])
139. Anthony Graves Texas. Convicted 1994.
2011
140. Gussie Vann Tennessee. Convicted 1994.
141. Damien Echols. Convicted in 1994 for taking part in the killing of three young boys in West Memphis, released from prison/death row after accepting an Alford plea.
2012
141. Damon Thibodeaux Louisiana. Convicted 1997.
142. Seth Penalver Florida. Convicted 1994.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Again, that's why I advocate a very high standard of proof for the ultimate penalty, along with swift justice.
maineman
Banned
Don't you think that most juries believe they are convicting on a high standard of proof in capital cases?
Don't you think that most juries who, in the penalty phase, mete out the death penalty to one of their peers believe they are doing so based upon a high standard of proof?
And don't be naive, DY. For many police detectives, and for many prosectors, guilt or innocence is not the standard by which they measure a case, but rather convictability.
Don't you think that most juries who, in the penalty phase, mete out the death penalty to one of their peers believe they are doing so based upon a high standard of proof?
And don't be naive, DY. For many police detectives, and for many prosectors, guilt or innocence is not the standard by which they measure a case, but rather convictability.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
The standard of proof that juries are instructed to use is "beyond a reasonable doubt". Obviously that's open to interpretation. In my opinion, for a death penalty decision, I wouldn't rely on evidence other than physical, or many-multiple eye witness. With today's technology that physical evidence shouldn't be hard to come by.
Our state crime lab has received international accreditation. So it's not like we're some corrupt place like Mexico.
Our state crime lab has received international accreditation. So it's not like we're some corrupt place like Mexico.