Never again will I vote for a Democrat or Republican

Well, I'm happy to hear that neither of you have been for this war. But it bothers me that people don't agitate against it, when they are against it, and get all upset about this.

I have really no interest in this I guess. I can kind of see both sides of it in a way. I know that people become addicted to gambling, and some of them bet away rent, mortgage and even food money. I feel very sorry for their children.

On the other hand, Congress has better things to be doing, this shouldn't be their one of their top concerns, and it is debatable that they should be regulating it at all. I'm kind of up in the air about it. It doesn't effect me!
 
I have to clearify, I was originally FOR the war because I believed saddam had WMD's. Never bought into the 9/11 connection thing as a reason for invading, never bought into nation building, or freeing the iraqis... never bought into we should get rid of saddam because he is a bad guy.... my only reason was wmd's, and once I realized they weren't there I no longer supported us being there.

But I can't help not being mad about something that doesn't directly effect me... I am not going to fake it just because people think I should or because it seems like the right thing to do. Iraq is a far away place and it just doesn't directly effect me, and thus I am not going to be as concerned about it versus, gambling.
 
I was and never will be for the war. I debated co-workers many times about the uselessness of attacking Iraq again. I never felt they were a threat. We had other countries to worry about and we were still in Afghanistan.

If people choose to throw their money away on poker sites, then that is not my problem. I choose to throw $50.00 at it, make it up to $110.00, and have fun doing so. I'm down right now, but I don't care. I had fun, and I know my limits. The sites even offer a program that you can set your deposit limits before you even start throwing money in so if you do happen to get carried away, you check yourself.

Gambling is not illegal. You can gamble in Las Vegas, Indian Reservations, and on the water. You can gamble at horse racing tracks, and you even have government sponsored gambling when it comes to the lottery. You have church sponsored gambling to play Bingo. For them to say 'sorry, you can't play poker with real money online' is a slap in the face. What in sam hell gives them the idea that the citizens of this nation would want something restricted like that.
 
Isn't it the government's job to reduce freedoms by protecting us from ourselves?

What the fuck right does this fed have to take this right away from us? Why is it their responsibility? Limited government??? I'll let Dixie's dumb Republican worshipping ass defend this shit.

Republicans. What the fuck do they have to do with personal responsibility anymore? Or Democrats? Both parties are power hungry robots. The Republicans are in power, and they've displayed a radical disregard for princilpe, and all you idiotic democrats sat on the sidelines slinging feces. You couldn't be proactive, you had to be reactive. You're ALL idiots.
 
Damocles said:
I've been mad at Iraq for a long, long time... I went off long ago about Undeclared wars and long ago people ignored me. *sigh*

Do you remember when Bush promised no "Nation Building." The whole "War Powers Act" and undeclared wars have put our asses in more trouble than any other messed up piece of unconstitutional pap that has ever been passed.
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Yeah I remember, about the same time he said something about us not being the police force of the world either.
 
DigitalDave said:
I was and never will be for the war. I debated co-workers many times about the uselessness of attacking Iraq again. I never felt they were a threat. We had other countries to worry about and we were still in Afghanistan.

If people choose to throw their money away on poker sites, then that is not my problem. I choose to throw $50.00 at it, make it up to $110.00, and have fun doing so. I'm down right now, but I don't care. I had fun, and I know my limits. The sites even offer a program that you can set your deposit limits before you even start throwing money in so if you do happen to get carried away, you check yourself.

Gambling is not illegal. You can gamble in Las Vegas, Indian Reservations, and on the water. You can gamble at horse racing tracks, and you even have government sponsored gambling when it comes to the lottery. You have church sponsored gambling to play Bingo. For them to say 'sorry, you can't play poker with real money online' is a slap in the face. What in sam hell gives them the idea that the citizens of this nation would want something restricted like that.
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Yopu missed my whole point Dave, these sites were not sanctioned by our gummit now were they ? That is the only places you can gamble in the good ol US of A ;) This internet gambling was a loophole in the gambling laws, thea loophole is now pretty much closed. we lost no freedom, because we did not really have it nayway, the gambling freedom was lost ages ago.
 
DigitalDave said:
I was and never will be for the war. I debated co-workers many times about the uselessness of attacking Iraq again. I never felt they were a threat. We had other countries to worry about and we were still in Afghanistan.

If people choose to throw their money away on poker sites, then that is not my problem. I choose to throw $50.00 at it, make it up to $110.00, and have fun doing so. I'm down right now, but I don't care. I had fun, and I know my limits. The sites even offer a program that you can set your deposit limits before you even start throwing money in so if you do happen to get carried away, you check yourself.

Gambling is not illegal. You can gamble in Las Vegas, Indian Reservations, and on the water. You can gamble at horse racing tracks, and you even have government sponsored gambling when it comes to the lottery. You have church sponsored gambling to play Bingo. For them to say 'sorry, you can't play poker with real money online' is a slap in the face. What in sam hell gives them the idea that the citizens of this nation would want something restricted like that.
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Well, there's a lot of truth in that. I know a gambling addict who is constantly at the OTB. His family has been pretty much destroyed. It's very sad, I feel most sorry for the children. So I guess that I recoil a bit at all of you guys who love gambling and are presenting it as harmless. Because it's not and you're in denial, it's like alcholics saying they just like a beer in the morning.

So that's what puts my back up. Get off your high horses. It harms a lot of people, may very well be harming any one of you who are only pretending you have any control. Or one day will harm you. And those who love you. I guess I have a natural sympathy that makes my heart go out to a 1st grader who doesn't get shoes or lunch money because daddy came home broke again.

But I know it can't be outlawed by the government. I do also recoil from that.
 
besides poker isn't gambling... yeah, you're an idiot if you play blackjack online, but come on..
 
Darla said:
Yeah, I had that same thought and was considering making a blistering post on it. But the last time I was here (the night before last I think?) I went off on Dano, and I like to mix it up, you know usc? Sometimes nasty, sometimes sweet. This way, you never know what you're going to get, and plus, I don't become the most hated poster on the board. :)
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:D
 
This law was slipped in to the Port Security bill less than 12 hours before the debate and vote on the floor of the house by REPUBLICANS....WHO want to PROTECT their gambling buddies in the usa...

the new law prevents gambling with overseas companies via not allowing the credit card banks use them...

This was protectionism at its worst for the Usa Casino LObby...
 
LOL. And only two voted against it, even knowing this was "slipped" in there...

Once again, they thought of the fallout for voting against "port security" rather than about what is right.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. And only two voted against it, even knowing this was "slipped" in there...

Once again, they thought of the fallout for voting against "port security" rather than about what is right.
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This is a MASTERED TACTIC of the Republicans of late Damo...this slipping in at the last minute, legislation that is controversial, in a MUST PASS BILL like POrt Security.

Would voting AGAINST port security have been the "right" thing to do Damo?

Or would the RIGHT thing to do ...should have been NOT slipping this casino legislation in to a MUST PASS for our safety, Port Security Bill...

What I am trying to say is that I believe YOUR attitude on this is WRONG, because it is the Republicans in power that NEEDS to STOP this kind of bullshit favoritism towards their big campaign donors with measures like this, slipped in to these must pass bills....

Republicans in power need to stop this CRAP....I am sick of it...this measure is NOTHING compared to the thousand other bullshit measures the republicans have slipped in to MUST PASS legislation over the past 6 years....

The Republican controlled congress is doing a HUGE DISSERVICE to the American people via the way they mishandle their responsibilities to ALL OF US....imho.

Vote Democratic or don't vote is my reccomendation, at this point... :D:D:D

care
 
Damocles said:
LOL. And only two voted against it, even knowing this was "slipped" in there...

Once again, they thought of the fallout for voting against "port security" rather than about what is right.
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They learned there lesson after what Bush did to Kerry! When Republicans let there leaders get away with attacking Kerry for voting against the 87 billion deal they scared anyone from ever voting no on any deal with the word security in it!
 
Care4all said:
This is a MASTERED TACTIC of the Republicans of late Damo...this slipping in at the last minute, legislation that is controversial, in a MUST PASS BILL like POrt Security.

Would voting AGAINST port security have been the "right" thing to do Damo?

Or would the RIGHT thing to do ...should have been NOT slipping this casino legislation in to a MUST PASS for our safety, Port Security Bill...

What I am trying to say is that I believe YOUR attitude on this is WRONG, because it is the Republicans in power that NEEDS to STOP this kind of bullshit favoritism towards their big campaign donors with measures like this, slipped in to these must pass bills....

Republicans in power need to stop this CRAP....I am sick of it...this measure is NOTHING compared to the thousand other bullshit measures the republicans have slipped in to MUST PASS legislation over the past 6 years....

The Republican controlled congress is doing a HUGE DISSERVICE to the American people via the way they mishandle their responsibilities to ALL OF US....imho.

Vote Democratic or don't vote is my reccomendation, at this point... :D:D:D

care
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It's a mastered tactic of both sides, Care. I think it is disingenuous pretending it is all Rs fault when they voted for it too. Almost unanimously. And that is why I laughed at this. Your whole, "It's all the Rs!" when they voted for it as well on such a HUGE level? Come on! You know they could vote against it wholesale and push for new rules if they wanted it to stop.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. And only two voted against it, even knowing this was "slipped" in there...

Once again, they thought of the fallout for voting against "port security" rather than about what is right.
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What is right ? hmm the internet gambling bypassed the intent of existing US gambling laws. They just closed the loophole.
Why are some of you making out like the govt controlling gambling is a new issue ?
 
uscitizen said:
What is right ? hmm the internet gambling bypassed the intent of existing US gambling laws. They just closed the loophole.
Why are some of you making out like the govt controlling gambling is a new issue ?
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I'm not, I still think it is right to take most of those laws and shove them right where the sun don't shine. What is right means I think this is a new thing?
 
Damocles said:
I'm not, I still think it is right to take most of those laws and shove them right where the sun don't shine. What is right means I think this is a new thing?
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That is a totally different issue. Our govt has stringently controlled gambling for many years. To act like this internet aspect of gambling control is a different issue is not correct.
 
Darla said:
Well, there's a lot of truth in that. I know a gambling addict who is constantly at the OTB. His family has been pretty much destroyed. It's very sad, I feel most sorry for the children. So I guess that I recoil a bit at all of you guys who love gambling and are presenting it as harmless. Because it's not and you're in denial, it's like alcholics saying they just like a beer in the morning.

So that's what puts my back up. Get off your high horses. It harms a lot of people, may very well be harming any one of you who are only pretending you have any control. Or one day will harm you. And those who love you. I guess I have a natural sympathy that makes my heart go out to a 1st grader who doesn't get shoes or lunch money because daddy came home broke again.

But I know it can't be outlawed by the government. I do also recoil from that.
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You know, I would normally sympathize and come up with a solution to this problem of idiots who can't control themselves that doesn't infringe on other responsible peoples freedoms, but I'm not in the mood. I'm not in denial that there is a problem, it just isn't mine to be concerned about. My freedom should not be taken away because other people are retards. Like i said, I put in $50.00 to play with and didn't plan on putting any more in anytime soon, but now I don't have a choice. When people use real dollars, they tend to be more conservative and don't just throw fake chips at a crappy hand hoping to come out better with their hand. Hold'em poker is a skill game that requires betting to take place in order for the better player to win. You really can't do that in fake games.

I understand your sympathy, and really, there are a lot of things that can destroy a childs life when the parents are irresponsible, but our government should not be moral police. It's unfortunate but in a free country, we can only do so much to limit people from being irresponsible without taking the 'free country' title away.
 
uscitizen said:
What is right ? hmm the internet gambling bypassed the intent of existing US gambling laws. They just closed the loophole.
Why are some of you making out like the govt controlling gambling is a new issue ?
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Im not making it a new issue, it just pisses me off with the hypocrisy. How do they feel it is right to limit gambling to only certain places because it's 'bad for people' but yet they allow Churchs to do it AND they run their own gambling business. Online gaming was completely legal, loophole or not. It's just freakin pathetic that they have to go and take more shit away from us. I've been complaining about government sponsored gambling for a few years now.
 
Dave your freedom to gamble except in US govt approved places was taken away a loooong time ago. You were just sliding thru a loophole, which is being closed. To whine about losing your freedom to gamble now is not totally honest.
 
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