No one has a right to healthcare

CFM said:
When you remove the part in Article I, Section 8 that give Congress the DELEGATED authority to fund the military and declare war, I will. Until then, the WORDS of the Constitution say otherwise. Not one word in the Constitution says healthcare nor implies it as a right. Seems you lost but you're a born loser.
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Are you familiar with the Ninth Amendment? I've already referenced it.
 
Abatis said:
The "disagreement" over healthcare "rights" is un-resolvable because the basic argument is pitting foundational principles of the Constitution versus 20th Century communitarian ideals. This is a fight between Constitutionalists arguing there is no foundation for government providing those comforts and Marxists / Leninists and their vulgar demands for social, cultural and economic rights. It is the unavoidable friction between original, first generation "negative" rights and 20th Century second generation "positive" rights.

The modern left throws around the term "rights" in a way that denigrates the true meaning (as understood by the founders / framers). According to the modern left, we have NO right to keep and bear arms, but we do have the "right" to (government provided / mandated) affordable housing, a living wage, education, health care and prescriptions, internet access, etc.

The purpose of this Orwellian new-speak is to redefine our rights into a fuzzy, moldable menu of services, privileges and entitlements we can apply for. Upon filling out the proper forms (no ID or proof of citizenship required) and payment of license fees, a bureaucrat can stamp “APPROVED” and our benevolent government will bestow some "rights" upon us. Unfortunately, with that mindset comes the acceptance of the situational denial or outright removal of those "rights" (for our own good of course).

Our rights are NOT a list of services that government provides for us.

Nor are they tangible commodities that the government compels others to provide to us.

The left needs to frame this disagreement in emotional terms; how mean conservatives are, how right wingers want to see babies die, how the left just want to help people . . . This is the only argument they have because they can't argue any degree of constitutional legitimacy.

That second generation social, cultural and economic rights have no support in the Constitution is why the Constitution and its principles must be misrepresented or dismissed and ignored by the left. The left begins their arguments with a rejection of the principle of inherent rights and that rights were excepted out of the powers being granted by the people. This is substituted with the position that government possesses all power and grants or gives us our rights. This perversion needs to be done for obvious reasons.

The argument that rights are granted by or flow from government has as its primary intent to legitimize 20th century communitarian ideals (positive rights being the most important) as being represented in the Constitution and thus creating a mandate for government to provide those "rights". To do this, the entire fundamental structure of the Constitution (conferred powers vs retained rights) must be mutated and the original definition of rights (and their origin) must be scrubbed from the consciousness of Americans.

I'm not being mean when I reject the left's desire to destroy the Constitution and its foundational principles nor does it say that I relish the misery and deaths of fellow Americans. It just means that in a Constitutional Republic the powers of a federal form of government are limited, even the powers to do "good" and "help" people.
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My nomination for most brilliant post of 2016

KUDOS SIR
 
Rune said:
Pretty sure Evince didn't vote to raise the national debt via unfunded wars mandates or tax cuts for the rich which we had to borrow to pay for.
That would be your side you disingenous hump.
Shut the fuck up.
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Oh so you are claiming that the debt that had accumulated is 100% from what you just listed? That is your position?

Darla has made you cuckold so many times you have lost your mind
 
I Love America said:
Oh so you are claiming that the debt that had accumulated is 100% from what you just listed? That is your position?

Darla has made you cuckold so many times you have lost your mind
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No I am of the opinion that 13.2 billion of it is 100% what I said.
What does your talking point generator indicate?
 
leaningright said:
I am pro health care for those who can't afford it. Maybe not pro Obama care but it's the best we have at this time. I absolutely agree with this post but.... but... I also feel government should be addressing the $343 a vial. That cost (and the cost of some other medications or treatments) is ridiculous, IMO. I know I'll get in trouble some free market people here but it's ridiculous the cost of health care in this country.
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My healthcare premiums cost me nothing. It's part of the compensation package I EARN. The max out of pocket I'll pay is $750/year. What's ridiculous about that?

I'll make the same challenge to you that I've done to others with the same opinion. If you think it's owed to them, pay their premium by writing a check that has your name/account information on it. While you're at it, explain to me how someone that can't afford healthcare can afford to buy the latest iPhone and play the lottery.
 
Rune said:
No I am of the opinion that 13.2 billion of it is 100% what I said.
What does your talking point generator indicate?
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Using your number of $13.2 BILLION, does that mean you believe the other almost $19 TRILLION belongs to Obama? You posted the number.
 
Rune said:
You don't recall well. Try again and remember it is in comparison to Dubya
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Obama's contribution to the debt is astronomical compared to Reagan/Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush. Have you not been looking at his deficit charts?

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Rune said:
If I give you 30 cyber-dollars will you promise to use a dictionary?
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Do you have a specific point you're taking umbrage with and want to debate or are you just being a useless contrarian, dismissing what you don't understand, exactly like I described . . .
 
Stelakh said:
Are you familiar with the Ninth Amendment? I've already referenced it.
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Please explain to me how the Ninth Amendment speaks to health care being a right.

Do you have any understanding of what a retained right is?

Did "We the People", when conferring powers to the federal government retain a right to demand the federal government compel some citizens to provide health care for others?

You people make me laugh.
 
Abatis said:
Do you have a specific point you're taking umbrage with and want to debate or are you just being a useless contrarian, dismissing what you don't understand, exactly like I described . . .
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Communitarian does not mean what you think it does.
 
Eno L. Camino said:
Obama's contribution to the debt is astronomical compared to Reagan/Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush. Have you not been looking at his deficit charts?

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Sure.
I was reffering to your earlier comment but if you insist, after ramping up the debt to almost 300% of all previous presidents combined, Cheney/bush then fundamentally destroyed the economy, leaving the world in such bad shape that bank failures and forclosures continue to this day.
The simple fact is that Obama has reduced deficit spending.
Reagan and both Bushs alone though are responsable for 13.2 billion in debt.
 
Rune said:
Sure.
I was reffering to your earlier comment but if you insist, after ramping up the debt to almost 300% of all previous presidents combined, Cheney/bush then fundamentally destroyed the economy, leaving the world in such bad shape that bank failures and forclosures continue to this day.
The simple fact is that Obama has reduced deficit spending.
Reagan and both Bushs alone though are responsable for 13.2 billion in debt.
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ROFLMAO
 
Rune said:
Sure.
I was reffering to your earlier comment but if you insist, after ramping up the debt to almost 300% of all previous presidents combined, Cheney/bush then fundamentally destroyed the economy, leaving the world in such bad shape that bank failures and forclosures continue to this day.
The simple fact is that Obama has reduced deficit spending.
Reagan and both Bushs alone though are responsable for 13.2 billion in debt.
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You keep confusing your millions/billions/trillions. Certainly, in terms of percentages, FDR and Reagan are the two greatest culprits in history, as the federal budget changed in revolutionary form from what had preceded them. LBJ gets an honorable mention, I suppose. That being said, you're kidding yourself if you want to keep apologizing for Obama.
 
Rune said:
Communitarian does not mean what you think it does.
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Well, I'm criticizing Communitarian philosophy in the context of negative vs positive rights and the origin of those philosophies.

I believe it is a well known fact that Communitarian philosophy has as it's foundation, a de-emphasis on, if not negation of individual (negative) rights and supporting a political doctrine of the state providing positive rights.

What definition / description are you operating under that would refute my use?

Can you cite or link to it?

Edited to add Wiki link just for shits and giggles: for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism#Positive_rights
 
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No one has a right to anything period. Rights do not exist period. No individual has ever created themselves and created the world in all it entirety. I get so tired of these dumb excuses for things that don't exist. We, call we anything you want make it up as we go along. Kinda simple really. Wish I had more time but think about it.
 
evince said:
there is a car crash

the station wagon containing a small family rolls over three times ejecting a small child and as it comes to rest it bursts into flames.


people try to put out the flames but cant.


the car burns completely up


the small child is left bleeding in the street because she has no paper work to prove she has insuranace.



she dies in massive pain


that is the world you evil con seek
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Your cognitive abilities are totally fucked up.
This 3 year old child would be transported to the nearest hospital and all means necessary would be taken to insure her survival and recovery.

Now instead of arguing your stupidity, why don't you make an attempt to refute my presentation.
 
midcan5 said:
No one has a right to anything period. Rights do not exist period. No individual has ever created themselves and created the world in all it entirety. I get so tired of these dumb excuses for things that don't exist. We, call we anything you want make it up as we go along. Kinda simple really. Wish I had more time but think about it.
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Sober up dude, you confused Obama with dat shit yo . . .


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