NYT: Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened

Bourbon said:
With the Mueller bombshell, the GOP's grand conspiracy theory falls apart


Trump couldn’t get his henchman to fire Mueller, and backed down. His defenders are left looking like idiots again


This week we finally saw the right's defenses of Donald Trump crystallize into an overarching "theory of everything,"as Salon's Matthew Sheffield wrote on Thursday: A Department of Justice and FBI cabal worked feverishly to help Hillary Clinton escape accountability for her crimes, and was only thwarted by the stable genius of Donald Trump. This "secret society" is now doing everything in its power to overthrow the president. We spent the week following three specific strands of this alleged scandal, all of which have disintegrated by Friday morning.

First we had the so-called secret society which was excitedly flogged by the entire Fox News apparatus and taken up, perhaps a bit gingerly, by Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis. That turned out to be a joke in a text message from one of the FBI lovers at the center of the Republican conspiracy theory. Literally. So that was that.

The second strand was the case of the "missing texts," in which some of the messages on the two lovers' cell phones were lost in the transfer to new devices. President Trump got into that one, claiming that 50,000 texts were gone and declaring it "one of the biggest stories in a long time." The Republicans basically just dusted off their old "Clinton emails" talking points and made it all sound suspicious for a couple of days. Then the Department of Justice informed them that thousands of phones had been affected in the switch -- and that all the missing text messages had been restored. So much for that.

Finally there was "The Memo," a document written by House Intelligence Committee chair Devin Nunes, R-Calif., that purports to show a conspiracy to misuse the FISA court process to authorize an illegal surveillance of former Trump adviser Carter Page. Unfortunately, nobody but Nunes and other House members can see the memo because it's classified and releasing it, even to members of the Senate Intelligence Committee or officials at the Department of Justice, would be wrong.

None of which makes much sense. The Democrats who have seen the underlying classified intelligence say the memo is bunk, the DOJ has refuted its conclusions and it turns out that even Nunes hasn't seen it and instead depended upon the judgment of longtime Benghazi inquisitor Trey Gowdy, R-S.C.


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https://www.salon.com/2018/01/26/wi...the-gops-grand-conspiracy-theory-falls-apart/
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Lmfao, your headline really reads: "Breaking: Trump Doesn't Fire Mueller".
 
Jarod said:
The only reason Rump did not fire Mueller is because his people disobeyed his order. Rump took every action necessary for the CIC to fire someone, it just did not happen because Rump is weak and his own people refuse to do what he tells them to do.

It is illegal for Rump to fire Mueller for his own self interest.
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He never gave the order pal, if he had Mueller would be gone, and FYI Trump can fire Mueller for any reason or no reason, he serves at his discretion.
 
PraiseKek said:
He never gave the order pal, if he had Mueller would be gone, and FYI Trump can fire Mueller for any reason or no reason, he serves at his discretion.
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You are wrong on both counts.

The NYT article says he did give the order but the Attorney refused.
It would be obstruction of justice if Rump fired Mueller for personal gain.
 
PraiseKek said:
Wrong again fucktard, Trump can fire Mueller for any reason or no reason, Mueller serves at his discretion.
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Rump could fire him for no reason, or a good reason.... but it would be a crime to fire him to impede an investigation.
 
Darth Omar said:
Who knows if this is or true or not.

If it is, so what? That Trump considered firing Mueller doesn’t equal Trump is guilty. The Mueller investigation is a political albatross around his neck [yes lefties, the whole world knows that’s the whole point of it] so Trump would be justified in firing Mueller for that reason, alone.

The fact is Mueller hasn’t been fired and Trump even offered to talk to him. In fact, Trump said he *wanted* to talk to Mueller.

And why does Mueller want to ask Trump tricky questions like Strzok did with Flynn? Because he wants to hang a perjury charge on Trump.

The nagging question for you impeachment enthusiasts is: why has Mueller been forced to scraping the bottom of the prosecutorial barrel?

What happened to Russian collusion? Is a perjury trap all Mueller has?
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The article says he ORDERED Mueller to be fired, not just "considered" it. There's a huge difference. That Mueller was not fired is irrelevant.
 
PraiseKek said:
Wrong again fucktard, Trump can fire Mueller for any reason or no reason, Mueller serves at his discretion.
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He "CAN" fire Mueller for any reason or no reason, BUT..... if he does so for THE WRONG REASON OR NO REASON... he opens himself up for an obstruction of justice charge.

See how that works, little fellah?
 
Bourbon said:
Do you think your Boy has The Balls to say that to Robert Mueller?
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Gonna love it when Orangetweet gets in front of Mueller.

Muller: "Did you issue the order to fire me?"
Tweet: "Yes"
BOOM! Obstruction of justice

Mueller: "Did you issue the order to fire me?"
Tweet: "No"
BOOM! Perjury
 
Nomad said:
Excuse me, but isn't ATTEMPTING to obstruct justice, by attempting to order the firing of a Special Council who's investigating you, ALSO a crime?

And one that can hardly be described as "scraping the bottom of the prosecutorial barrel" btw. Especially when it was done by the President of the United States.

If you try to murder somebody but they don't die, do the authorities just say, "Oh well, you didn't succeed, so run along and have a nice day"?

Same with armed robbery or just about any other serious crime.

If you fail in your attempt, you're still guilty of attempting to commit the crime in question.

As for "what happened to collusion?", who said anything happened to it? Just because we are talking about obstruction right now, does not mean that Trump is not still being investigated for collusion with Russia.

We're talking about a multi-faceted criminal enterprise administration here.
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Let's say this is true, where is your proof he attempted to obstruct justice?
 
Nomad said:
Yes, it is within his authority to fire him.... but ONLY if it is for a legitimate reason, such as blatant or demonstrable incompetence, or corruption, etc, etc.

If Trump were to fire or attempt to fire him for some flimsy or trumped up reason which can reasonably be determined as being for no other reason than to protect himself from possible prosecution, then it becomes obstruction.

See how that works, little fellah?
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I read that the so called anonymous sources claimed it was because Trump believed Mueller had a conflict of interest.

You hysterical libs LOSE again.
 
Yaya said:
I read that the so called anonymous sources claimed it was because Trump believed Mueller had a conflict of interest.

You hysterical libs LOSE again.
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In trump's mind, there was a fabricated conflict. Green fees at one of trump's shitty golf courses being one
 
Yaya said:
Let's say this is true, where is your proof he attempted to obstruct justice?
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*MY* proof????

What does it matter if *I* have proof or not?

You should be worried about what proof (or EVIDENCE) MUELLER might have, not me.
 
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