christiefan915
Catalyst
Translation: I don't have any proof or evidence to support my charges, so I will attack Dixie as a partisan hack and be done with it.
But you are a partisan hack. When clear, factual evidence is presented to refute the rumors you still deny, deny, deny.
I suspect Obama was born in Kenya because his grandmother says she was there when it happened.
The grandmother story was debunked as soon as it happened. Here's an actual transcript of the conversation plus a link.
MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?
OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.
MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.
MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.
OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.
OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy/
We have yet to see an official record of the mans live birth in Hawaii.
You certainly did see the official record. You've just chosen to deny its legitimacy because it doesn't gibe with your CT that Obama is a foreigner.
There is no "lie" there, those are the facts of the matter. The ones who continue to lie and obfuscate, are Obama people, who want to create divisive little pet names for people... birthers... teabaggers... etc. etc. etc.
LOL. Let's not admit that the people who concoct CT's about Obama are divisive and brought the derision on themselves. Let's talk about all the crap re: "taking back our country", as if the country belongs to a small subset of Obama haters while the majority has no say.
The swiftboat vets were people who served with Kerry, and had a different opinion of him than the one he was trying to portray to the public in his campaign for president. Whether you like what they had to say or not, they did indeed have some influence on the public perception of Kerry's service record. You want to believe they just told a pack of lies on Kerry, because it is what you have to believe. Although, there is no justifiable reason why these men would all just lie about it. People can have different perceptions of the same event, and neither of them are lying. This IS possible, you know?
Fact: Of the 3,500 Swift boat sailors who served in Vietnam, the names of some 250 appeared on the group's statement against Kerry; most did not serve at the same time or in the same place as Kerry.
Fact: Several of those who joined SBVT during the 2004 campaign were officers who had previously praised Kerry's conduct during the Vietnam War. These included Division Commander Grant Hibbard, who wrote positive evaluations of Kerry, and Commander George Elliott, who submitted Kerry for a Silver Star.
Fact: Despite SBVT's statements that Kerry's "entire chain of command" belonged to the group,[13] Joseph Streuli, former commander of Coastal Division 13, Charles Horne, former commander of Coastal Squadron 1, and Art Price, former commander CTF 116 who is described in "Unfit for Command" as part of Kerry's chain of command, are not affiliated with the group.
Fact: Of those who served in Kerry's boat crew, only Stephen Gardner joined SBVT.[19] He was not present on any of the occasions when Kerry won his medals, including his Purple Hearts. Gardner appeared in two of the group's television advertisements.
Fact: No members of SBVT were aboard Kerry's boat during any of the incidents for which he was decorated.
Fact: Several members of Kerry's crew stated that O'Neill failed to interview them; some veterans who were interviewed asserted that their statements were edited to strip out material favorable to Kerry.[46] Neither O'Neill nor Corsi had any firsthand knowledge of Kerry's service. O'Neill served on the Swift boats after Kerry left Vietnam and Corsi never served in Vietnam.
Fact: The SBVT statements were accompanied by sworn affidavits, although one affiant, Al French, later admitted he had no firsthand knowledge of what he had sworn to.
Fact: "...although Kerry's accusers have succeeded in raising doubts about his war record, they have failed to come up with sufficient evidence to prove him a liar."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboat_Veterans_for_Truth
I'm not trying to imply a damn thing, I am saying outright, the LEFT insisted Dan Rather didn't do anything wrong, that his "report" was legitimate in spite of the forgery, and that the forgery wasn't ever conclusively proven to be a forgery... it went on and on for months! IF you weren't a part of it, you certainly found it in your heart to forgive those on your side who were!
I was on a different forum when the Rather thing broke and can say that the LEFT in its entirety did not insist he was right. Many did, before the proof came out, but I don't know any lefties who are still making that claim.
You people really have a lot of nerve... Fox News mistakenly runs the wrong video clip with their Palin book story, and that is held up as a 'legitimate' example of bias... while Dan Rather is forging goddamn US Government documents as fast as Sandy Berger is shoving them in his pants, and... oh, that's okaaaaayyyyy.... Dan didn't know... ooops!
The CBS business was over five years ago. Furthermore, Rather didn't forge the documents himself, he accepted them as true without fully investigating their provenance. Dan Rather stated: "We are told [the documents] were taken from Lieutenant Colonel Killian’s personal files"[10] and incorrectly asserted that "the material" had been authenticated by experts retained by CBS. Nobody I know is absolving CBS of their error although your RW blogs probably wouldn't admit that.
Pathetic SCUM! And YOU support them!
I support the facts. I suggest you do the same.
