Pondering Palin

I had high hopes for Sarah Palin when her candidacy was announced. She turned out to be a complete disappointment.

Forgetting the superficial qualities that she has that attract public attention and some admiration (I am not only speaking about her being a female candidate, but her persona and backstory), she is a failure as a candidate for national office.

I'm not judging her ability to be a Governor of a sparsely populated state here. This is about the kind of person we want leading our Federal government and representing the United States to the world. Even George W. Bush, for all his severe flaws, for all he was wrong about, had a better command of public issues than Sarah Palin.

She couldn't even remotely handle Joe Biden in a debate, and I don't believe she would be able to handle President Obama after four years on the job unless some amazing personal, political, and philosophical developments happen.
 
I had high hopes for Sarah Palin when her candidacy was announced. She turned out to be a complete disappointment.

Forgetting the superficial qualities that she has that attract public attention and some admiration (I am not only speaking about her being a female candidate, but her persona and backstory), she is a failure as a candidate for national office.

I'm not judging her ability to be a Governor of a sparsely populated state here. This is about the kind of person we want leading our Federal government and representing the United States to the world. Even George W. Bush, for all his severe flaws, for all he was wrong about, had a better command of public issues than Sarah Palin.

She couldn't even remotely handle Joe Biden in a debate, and I don't believe she would be able to handle President Obama after four years on the job unless some amazing personal, political, and philosophical developments happen.

high hopes...sure you did...:rolleyes:
 
I had high hopes for Sarah Palin when her candidacy was announced. She turned out to be a complete disappointment.

Forgetting the superficial qualities that she has that attract public attention and some admiration (I am not only speaking about her being a female candidate, but her persona and backstory), she is a failure as a candidate for national office.

I'm not judging her ability to be a Governor of a sparsely populated state here. This is about the kind of person we want leading our Federal government and representing the United States to the world. Even George W. Bush, for all his severe flaws, for all he was wrong about, had a better command of public issues than Sarah Palin.

She couldn't even remotely handle Joe Biden in a debate, and I don't believe she would be able to handle President Obama after four years on the job unless some amazing personal, political, and philosophical developments happen.

You sum up pretty well how I feel about her as well. I haven't personally thrown her under the bus but the excitement I initially felt is gone. I do believe the press and others have been unfair to her but imo she has attempted to play more the victim role as a way of keeping her name in the press which is admittedly hard to do from Alaska. Yes its unfair but the fact of the matter is if she wants to be at the highest level of government and leader of the free world playing a victim is not going to get you there (nor should it).
 
and I see now that being the Governor of a "sparsely populated state" has now become another reason why Palin can not be a good candidate..

you have to wonder just what, if anything, people actually know what is in Alaska...good grief..
 
and I see now that being the Governor of a "sparsely populated state" has now become another reason why Palin can not be a good candidate..

you have to wonder just what, if anything, people actually know what is in Alaska...good grief..

If you are responding to my post I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion you did. I said keeping your name in the national news can be difficult from Alaska. You are free to disagree with that statement though I believe you would be in a small minority. Thus, imo, she has turned more to the victim role as a way to continue to get national press and keep her name in the news.

It's great you support her so strongly but Palin, like any other politician, is not above reproach.
 
high hopes...sure you did...:rolleyes:

You obviously don't know who you're talking to.

But as for picking on my comments about Alaska, you should read more carefully and see that I was pointing out that her lack of credibility as a Presidential candidate does not mean she is not qualified to be a Governor of a state, and especially so one that has quite a bit of stability because of numerous natural and public policy reasons.

I am definitely saying that governing Alaska is not as challenging as governing California or Texas, but so is governing the United States Federal Government much more difficult than any of the aforementioned. And this is part of the reason why a broad range of the public cannot see her as Presidential material at this point in time. She appears out of her league on the substantive matters of governing and without some of the characteristics a President requires to lead effectively.

And while I know I've edited this post about a zillion times, let me just add one final thought. I can't recall a single time during the campaign when John McCain said "Sarah Palin is ready to be President if something happens to me.". That in itself really does illustrate how much of a gimmick-maker McCain really is. He could always be counted on for non-solutions serious public questions, and Sarah Palin was one of them.

The fact that the candidate himself could never really articulate in the end that he made the right choice for his possible and presumptive successor, and still can't back her for the next time around, speaks volumes.
 
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If you are responding to my post I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion you did. I said keeping your name in the national news can be difficult from Alaska. You are free to disagree with that statement though I believe you would be in a small minority. Thus, imo, she has turned more to the victim role as a way to continue to get national press and keep her name in the news.

It's great you support her so strongly but Palin, like any other politician, is not above reproach.

no I wasn't responding to you.

I was responding to this..
I'm not judging her ability to be a Governor of a sparsely populated state here.
as if that is suppose to mean something on her ability to be Governor or President..
 
You obviously don't know who you're talking to.

But as for picking on my comments about Alaska, you should read more carefully and see that I was pointing out that her lack of credibility as a Presidential candidate does not mean she is not qualified to be a Governor, and especially so one that has quite a bit of stability because of numerous natural and public policy reasons.

I am definitely saying that governing Alaska is not as challenging as governing California or Texas, but so is governing the United States Federal Government than any of the aforementioned.

and am I suppose to know or care who it is I'm talking to??
and what do you know about Alaska, and have you ever been there?
 
You obviously don't know who you're talking to.

But as for picking on my comments about Alaska, you should read more carefully and see that I was pointing out that her lack of credibility as a Presidential candidate does not mean she is not qualified to be a Governor of a state, and especially so one that has quite a bit of stability because of numerous natural and public policy reasons.

I am definitely saying that governing Alaska is not as challenging as governing California or Texas, but so is governing the United States Federal Government much more difficult than any of the aforementioned. And this is part of the reason why a broad range of the public cannot see her as Presidential material at this point in time. She appears out of her league on the substantive matters of governing and without some of the characteristics a President requires to lead effectively.

she appears...blaa blaa blaa
and "the Obama" is in his league...
you elitist snob.
and your start of, I had high hopes, was just BS..so why even throw it in there..
 
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It amazes me that anyone would consider voting for her for PRESIDENT. I just can't wrap my mind around it.
 
It certainly matters who you're talking to. Anyone here can tell you that I'm nobody's apologist left or right and I'm looking for credible leaders who are going to stand up for limited, constitutional government.

Unfortunately, Sarah Palin hadn't the slightest courage as a candidate to break with John McCain on a damn thing. And the reason for this is simple: she doesn't have a single idea that can help this country, only paper thin talking points that excite the very boneheads who got the GOP in the mess it's in.

Conservatives nationwide deserve plenty of criticism for even pondering Sarah Palin as their leader after her past performance. It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

And I don't need to have traveled to Alaska to know that it's a frontier-cultured oil rich welfare state with no border to any other U.S. state, much less an inhabitable region of any other country. I don't need to have traveled there to know about it just like Sarah Palin doesn't need to travel the world to be an effective global leader, though it would help for the both of us.

But you know more than actually going a place, taking an interest in public and global issues sure does go a lot father in being effective with then. Sarah Palin has not demonstrated this interest or broad experience. She practically undercut the inexperience argument against Obama.

I could go on. The bottom line is that for a couple years, I kept hearing that Sarah Palin was a young governor from a state where many of my views were embraced, and that she might be able to bring a badly needed resurgence to the Republican brand.

Unfortunately, she is doing just the opposite. She is rehashing excitement among the same old tired base, who are still deluded about why they really continue to lose. She not only fails to expand the base, she closes off the base from expanding because a lot of other people just can't believe that Conservatives are convinced that this is the best they've got.
 
Seeing the neocon fascist talkng head shit stains like Michael Medved trying so hard to spin this as a negative makes me like her even more.

Why does the party machine hate her so much? She must be a good person or something.
 
It certainly matters who you're talking to. Anyone here can tell you that I'm nobody's apologist left or right and I'm looking for credible leaders who are going to stand up for limited, constitutional government.

Unfortunately, Sarah Palin hadn't the slightest courage as a candidate to break with John McCain on a damn thing. And the reason for this is simple: she doesn't have a single idea that can help this country, only paper thin talking points that excite the very boneheads who got the GOP in the mess it's in.

Conservatives nationwide deserve plenty of criticism for even pondering Sarah Palin as their leader after her past performance. It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

And I don't need to have traveled to Alaska to know that it's a frontier-cultured oil rich welfare state with no border to any other U.S. state, much less an inhabitable region of any other country. I don't need to have traveled there to know about it just like Sarah Palin doesn't need to travel the world to be an effective global leader, though it would help for the both of us.

But you know more than actually going a place, taking an interest in public and global issues sure does go a lot father in being effective with then. Sarah Palin has not demonstrated this interest or broad experience. She practically undercut the inexperience argument against Obama.

I could go on. The bottom line is that for a couple years, I kept hearing that Sarah Palin was a young governor from a state where many of my views were embraced, and that she might be able to bring a badly needed resurgence to the Republican brand.

Unfortunately, she is doing just the opposite. She is rehashing excitement among the same old tired base, who are still deluded about why they really continue to lose. She not only fails to expand the base, she closes off the base from expanding because a lot of other people just can't believe that Conservatives are convinced that this is the best they've got.

You're tired and old.

the "go along to get along" internationalist fascist center will fall apart. the new world order isn't happening. Sorry.
 
To paraphrase the old Oldsmobile commercial, Sarah Palin ain't your daddy's politician.

If there were any doubts about the credibility of Palin's claim to being an unconventional pol, they were laid to rest this past Friday. Surrounded by family and friends with a picturesque Alaskan lake as her backdrop, the self-styled maverick announced not only would she not seek re-election to a second term, she would resign as Governor of Alaska with 18 months left in her freshman one.

Catching the political world completely off-guard while turning in a classic Palinesque performance, the former beauty pageant queen-cum-mother of five-cum-Governor-cum-former Republican vice presidential nominee-cum-grandmother of one cheerfully interlaced sports metaphors with condemnations of her detractors and antagonists. In a meandering and disjointed statement, Palin assured supporters that while she was leaving public office, she would nonetheless continue to fight for the issues near and dear to her heart - energy independence, family values, minimal government and a strong national security. Serving not only as the foundation of her policy agenda, they were also the focal points of her stump speeches during her ultimately unsuccessful run for the vice presidency alongside Republican presidential hopeful John McCain.

Many view McCain's choice of Palin as his running mate as the political equivalent of raising Lazarus from the dead. Though many in the media and punditocracy dismissed the mother of five as an inarticulate rube and hapless hillbilly, her selection solidified the Republican base while reestablishing McCain's bona fides as an independent-minded maverick. In the process, the resulting media and internet frenzy sparked by McCain's unexpected choice temporarily put the Republican ticket back into the electoral game. A game that up until then had been dominated by Democratic nominee Barack Obama's political home runs accompanying what appeared to be a pitching shut out of his Republican rival. Having unified the conservative base, Palin then proceeded to electrify it with her magnetic personality, brilliant smile, gleeful combativeness and unapologetic defense of family, God and country. Proudly on display during her resignation announcement, these qualities have underpinned her ability to remain in the media spotlight and the hearts of Conservative activists since the November electoral loss.

Covering a laundry list of reasons for her unexpected departure, Palin highlighted mounting legal and administrative expenses for both taxpayers and her family. Incurred in the defense of a series of seemingly unending ethics complaints against the first term Republican governor, the Palin family's legal bills are estimated at roughly $500,000. Many speculate that the economic and emotional costs of repeatedly fending off allegations of impropriety and corruption were major factors in Palin's decision to leave office 18 months before the completion of her term.

Prior to her announcement, Palin was considered to be among a rapidly dwindling pack of contenders for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. Subsequent to it, the media, blogosphere and punditocracy have been a buzz with speculation that the erstwhile beauty pageant queen was less than completely candid about the reasons for her abrupt resignation. With a firestorm and threats of legal action sparked by allegations that the motivating factor was an impending Federal indictment, the FBI took the unprecedented action of issuing a public denial of any investigation of the greatly maligned mother of five and recent grandmother of one.

Palin's unheralded exodus and sphinx-like reasoning adds to the frustration of her media critics and political detractors. Confounded by her Reaganesque political Teflon-coating and ability to seize the spotlight, their disdain and contempt are palpable as they smirk condescendingly at her conducting an interview in fishing waders. What they fail to see is that Palin's folksiness and common man colloquialism are part and parcel of her appeal. Her genuineness and candor befuddles those who speak through politically correct filters. When one changes their personality to suit the environment much like Palin does in choosing appropriate footwear, they find it near impossible to relate to her or understand her ability to inspire such fierce loyalty among her Conservative base.

Further complicating the ability of her critics to grasp the Palin phenomenon is the fact that she refuses to fit neatly into their preconceived notions of Conservative women. Among the perplexing peculiarities Palin confronts them with are...

-She is a successful woman that places her marriage and family as the centerpiece and foundation of her life. Standing in stark contrast to hard-nosed feminists that believe marriage is legalized slavery; Palin speaks glowingly of her high school sweetheart husband, saying “….two decades and five children later he’s still my guy.”

The mother of three “strong and kindhearted” daughters, a son in the Army about to deploy to Iraq and a “perfectly beautiful baby boy” with Down’s syndrome, Palin’s life is a testimony to women’s ability to have a full home life while at the same time experiencing career success. Palin’s life boldly says to women, “You can have it all and not feel guilty or incomplete.”

-“Family values” are more than just a campaign slogan to Palin; they are a way of life. When prenatal testing disclosed that baby Trig had Down’s syndrome, Palin carried on with the pregnancy nonetheless. Informed by her strong religious convictions and anti-abortion beliefs, the Palin family celebrated the birth and the “unspeakable joy” that God had granted them.

-She destroys media and Liberal stereotypes of Conservative women as either shrill shrews or hapless hillbillies. Neither Ann Coulter nor Daisy Duke, Palin is confident without being boorish; intelligent without being arrogant; principled without being archaic and despite David Letterman's best attempts to portray her otherwise, sexy without being cheap, tawdry or cartoonish. Palin’s style and image says, “Conservatives can be cool, sexy, intelligent and successful all at once.” She is the 21st Century version of the 70's "Charlie" perfume girl. In a word, she is dangerous. Still.

Regardless of where Palin ultimately lands, be it on the lecture circuit, behind the microphone of a syndicated radio show, the anchor desk at ESPN, hosting her own television talk show or news journal, in the glossy pages of Playboy, or the white oval walls of an office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, a few things are certain. She will continue to beguile throngs of passionate Conservatives, confound and irritate legions of Liberals and will invariably surprise all of us in her own unique, unconventional, mavericky way just by being true to herself and who she is regardless of what anyone else may think.

What's that sound in the distance, faithful readers? Oh yes, that's the sound of Sarah marching to the beat of her own drum. You betcha!

Stay tuned for further updates as events warrant and we see what next accomplishment the moose-hunting mom from Wasilla eventually adds to her impressive and growing resume.
Don't let the door hit ya in the ass, Sarah!
 
It's really funny and sad to me to see the spineless dems trying to rip this little fox.
She's better on energy that all the other 2008 candidates including Obama.
The fact that she may not fit the harvard law review while stingingly a poison dart for libtards it's a suite of honor to normal Americans.
She has way more than it takes.
Now if the republicans can get some heads out of butts and put the best YOUNG strategist they have in her corner there's a prayer.
 
It certainly matters who you're talking to. Anyone here can tell you that I'm nobody's apologist left or right and I'm looking for credible leaders who are going to stand up for limited, constitutional government.

Unfortunately, Sarah Palin hadn't the slightest courage as a candidate to break with John McCain on a damn thing. And the reason for this is simple: she doesn't have a single idea that can help this country, only paper thin talking points that excite the very boneheads who got the GOP in the mess it's in.

Conservatives nationwide deserve plenty of criticism for even pondering Sarah Palin as their leader after her past performance. It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

And I don't need to have traveled to Alaska to know that it's a frontier-cultured oil rich welfare state with no border to any other U.S. state, much less an inhabitable region of any other country. I don't need to have traveled there to know about it just like Sarah Palin doesn't need to travel the world to be an effective global leader, though it would help for the both of us.

But you know more than actually going a place, taking an interest in public and global issues sure does go a lot father in being effective with then. Sarah Palin has not demonstrated this interest or broad experience. She practically undercut the inexperience argument against Obama.

I could go on. The bottom line is that for a couple years, I kept hearing that Sarah Palin was a young governor from a state where many of my views were embraced, and that she might be able to bring a badly needed resurgence to the Republican brand.

Unfortunately, she is doing just the opposite. She is rehashing excitement among the same old tired base, who are still deluded about why they really continue to lose. She not only fails to expand the base, she closes off the base from expanding because a lot of other people just can't believe that Conservatives are convinced that this is the best they've got.

Adam, when are you going to give up this Libertarian nonsense come over to the Democrats side? Granted they aren't perfect but they aren't dominated by extremist either. Why can't you see Libertarianisms failures both as a political movement and a governing philosophy? You're obviously not a wing nut. I don't really understand you at times. You're so bright and articulate but have this tendency to miss the real obvious.
 
Adam, when are you going to give up this Libertarian nonsense come over to the Democrats side? Granted they aren't perfect but they aren't dominated by extremist either. Why can't you see Libertarianisms failures both as a political movement and a governing philosophy? You're obviously not a wing nut. I don't really understand you at times. You're so bright and articulate but have this tendency to miss the real obvious.

I agree with Adam on most points. And I think the more people who embrace parties other than the two who have made such a mess of things the better off we will be.

I vote libertarian because I agree with many of the planks of their platform and because I cannot vote for either of the two major parties.
 
I'm tired and young.

C'mon, don't ruin this thread just as it's getting interesting.

the truth is always interesting.

Real americans will never accept your "go along to get along" attitude towards internationalist fascism.

Libertarians are fascists unless they undo the current relationships between the elites in business and government.

Were you against the banks bailouts adam? were they "they only option"? See if you can answer, mental midget.
 
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