Lightbringer
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Prove it on the field.
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Prove it on the field.
WinterBorn
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Shows that the bulk of our schedule is with teams that are power teams, or were recently.
WinterBorn
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We have.
Lightbringer
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It shows no such thing. If you have to talk about 10 years ago then you've got nothing for today. As for showing it on the field...no they haven't. The reason OSU and other teams have their little blips with Purdue or teams like them is because they don't get weeks off playing The Citadel or Sun Belt teams. Even Oregon State, rag on them all you want but they're a Pac-12 team and drop them in the Sun Belt Conference and I think they'll do well. I'd be willing to bet they beat Arkansas State and U-L Lafayette. They might even...dare I say...win the conference.
Schedule Notre Dame, or even a middle of the road B1G team like Iowa or Nebraska. Oh yeah, and win your conference too. Playing Mercer and losing their division discredited the whole "playoff" system last year. A good team shouldn't be afraid of some competition.
Mason Michaels
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What happened before this season means nothing
WinterBorn
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Auburn beat Washington, a PAC12 division champ, and we beat auburn like a redheaded step-child.
Texas A&M played Clemson down to the wire (2 point loss) and we beat them handily.
Missouri beat Purdue and we beat Missouri by 29 points.
LSU beat Miami, and we not only beat LSU by a big margin, we held them scoreless.
So the teams we have beaten handily don't seem to have trouble with their out of conference games.
And since Saban arrived, we have scheduled big name opponents for the season openers.
We have played Florida State (2017), USC (2016), Wisconsin (2015), West Virginia (2014), VATech (2013 & 2009), Michigan (2012), and Clemson (2008), all as season openers. Plus we had a home & away with Penn State and won both years. Those BIG10 teams didn't come any closer to beating us than The Citadel did.
WinterBorn
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Except to show that these teams are not cupcakes. The schedules are written several years in advance.
Mason Michaels
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Alabama knows many of these teams weren't competitive programs when they booked them.
Ohio State and others do it too.
WinterBorn
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Most schedules are fixed 3 to 5 years in advance. Not sure how anyone would know they would not be competitive in the future.
Lightbringer
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LOL, yeah The Citadel, Mercer, and Sun Belt teams are going to be competitive. I don't even want to stop you anymore, you're digging your own grave.
Cancel 2019.1
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Sure they will,when a school like Ohio State schedules a MAC school years ahead,it's still a MAC school.
WinterBorn
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The comment was not talking about those teams, but about the other teams listed.
If you think an FCS and a Sunbelt team or two, in a 12 game season, makes us ineligible for the playoffs.....well.....you are welcome to your opinion. The fact that you dismiss Oregon State as a serious cupcake because they play in a Power 5 conference is laughable. They only won 3 games in 2 seasons. And 2 of those were against FCS teams.
And every year Alabama plays LSU, Texas A&M, auburn, ect.
The writers who make up the AP poll seem to think Alabama is legit, as do the Playoff Committee. Bama has beaten almost all comers, during the regular season and the playoffs. I can live with that.
WinterBorn
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The same with Alabama. But when Alabama schedule USC, Clemson or Michigan as the season opener, they are still USC, Clemson and USC.
Lightbringer
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Enough of this. Play someone, then talk your shit. Until then shut it fanboi.
WinterBorn
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We played ranked teams this year. And will play more in the post season.
You keep gritting your teeth and being angry. lol It keeps me amused.
Fan? You betcha! boi? Not even close.
SOME cupcakes? 2 Sun Belt and a Southern Conference? lol
Louisville: 2-10
Arkansas State: 8-4 (Really? Arkansas State?)
Ole Miss: 5-7
Louisiana (La Tech): 7-5 (Really? La Tech?)
Arkansas: 2-10
Tennessee: 5-7
The Citadel: 4-6 (Really? The Citadel?)
A minimum of 7-0 for even a mediocre Division I team.
Texas A&M is only 8-4
Missouri is only 8-4
LSU is 8-3 however
Mississippi State is only 8-4
Auburn is only 7-5
Opponent's schedule: 72-69 over half of which are patsies.
WinterBorn
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My math shows Alabama's opponents to be 73-69. LSU is 9-3, not 8-3.
By comparison, Ohio State's opponents combined record is 70-74. Oklahoma's opponents racked up records of 72-69.
As for patsies, OSU played Oregon State, with a resound 3 wins in 2 seasons. 2 of those wins were against FCS teams. What a powerhouse.
Rutgers is 1-11 this year.
Tulane is 6-6, way to schedule an out-of-conference monster.
Penn State is 9-3
Indiana is 5-7
Minnesota is 6-6
Purdue is 6-6 (and they beat OSU)
Nebraska is 4-8
Michigan State is 7-5
Maryland is 7-5
Michigan is 10-2 (your only win against a team with a better record than Alabama's opponents)
Oklahoma is a shade better than Ohio State in the Win/Loss numbers for their opponents.
Their out-of-conference games are still against lesser teams. Florida Atlantic 5-7, UCLA 3-9, and Army 9-2.
The best team (as far as records go) on Oklahoma's schedule is Texas at 9-3. But their opponents still had fewer wins than Alabama's.
Baylor is 6-6
TCU is 6-6
K State is 5-7
Texas Tech is 5-7
OK State is 6-6
Kansas is 3-9
West Virginia is 8-3
So yeah, I stand by my statement of some cupcakes.
No one on Alabama's schedule is as bad as Rutgers or Oregon State.
Mott the Hoople
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And none of this should mean exactly squat.
Here's the deal with the current CFP. What the country wants is a true national championship. Not a regional one, not one that gives away money to NFL towns with Bowl games that could give a shit less about college football and not a championship by proxy decided by talking heads on TV who have a vested financial interest in who plays in the CFP and are utterly incapable of being objective.
So the CFP was a big step in the right direction but a big mistake was make by not making winning a Conference Championship game a requirement, at the insistence of the SEC.
This can be fixed without extending the season into additional games by a couple of reforms but those reforms have to be done on a "you can't have your cake and eat it too" basis which the SEC will not like. That being either winning a Conference Championship game matters or they don't. Right now they don't, which means division championships don't really matter either, which means the CFP is a joke. What matters currently is a beauty contest of subjectivity. To get rid of that we can do two things.
#1. Make Conference championship games mean something. Make winning a conference championship game a requirement for being selected for the CFP. That would solve the current problem. SEC wouldn't like it but it's a fix.
If that's not acceptable than;
#2. Then lets stop pretending conference championships mean something and get rid of them. Based on regular season records alone we know who the conference champions are right now. So instead of this week being conference championship game week we make this the first round of an 8 team play off. The Conference Champion of the Power 5 conferences get automatic bids. That's not an issue. Right now we know that Clemson has the best record in the ACC, OK in the Big 12, Alabama in the SEC, Washington in the Pac 12. OSU and NW have identical conference records, 8-1 but OSU wins about every tie breaker you can think of so OSU would be the Big Ten Champ. That leaves three at large teams selected by record and other objective and subjective criteria. Which means the SEC can still have it's precious second team. It also means a better opportunity for a non-power 5 team to qualify for the CFP. The CFP committee would then rank the teams 1-8 with top four teams hosting the first round. Using the current ranking the match ups would be UA vs UW, Clemson vs. UCF(or Mich), ND vs OSU, GA vs OK. Now I don't know about you guys but I'd rather see any of these match ups than any of the Conference Championship Game as at least of half of the match ups in the Conference Championship games aren't relevant to the National Championship. These match ups would all be relevant.
So my preference would be # 2 though it's not perfect and #1 option would certainly be better than what we currently have. If we select # 2 that also helps with scheduling because the power conference could then just simply get rid of divisions. So this makes option #2 the better choice in my eyes.
As it is now, if the CFP remains as it is, I'd like to see the Big 10 and Pac 12, who keep getting screwed, pull out of CFP, pull the Rose Bowl out of the CFP and continue on with the Rose Bowl tradition of Pac 12 vs BIG and return it back to being the most significant game played annually in College Football.
Here's the deal with the current CFP. What the country wants is a true national championship. Not a regional one, not one that gives away money to NFL towns with Bowl games that could give a shit less about college football and not a championship by proxy decided by talking heads on TV who have a vested financial interest in who plays in the CFP and are utterly incapable of being objective.
So the CFP was a big step in the right direction but a big mistake was make by not making winning a Conference Championship game a requirement, at the insistence of the SEC.
This can be fixed without extending the season into additional games by a couple of reforms but those reforms have to be done on a "you can't have your cake and eat it too" basis which the SEC will not like. That being either winning a Conference Championship game matters or they don't. Right now they don't, which means division championships don't really matter either, which means the CFP is a joke. What matters currently is a beauty contest of subjectivity. To get rid of that we can do two things.
#1. Make Conference championship games mean something. Make winning a conference championship game a requirement for being selected for the CFP. That would solve the current problem. SEC wouldn't like it but it's a fix.
If that's not acceptable than;
#2. Then lets stop pretending conference championships mean something and get rid of them. Based on regular season records alone we know who the conference champions are right now. So instead of this week being conference championship game week we make this the first round of an 8 team play off. The Conference Champion of the Power 5 conferences get automatic bids. That's not an issue. Right now we know that Clemson has the best record in the ACC, OK in the Big 12, Alabama in the SEC, Washington in the Pac 12. OSU and NW have identical conference records, 8-1 but OSU wins about every tie breaker you can think of so OSU would be the Big Ten Champ. That leaves three at large teams selected by record and other objective and subjective criteria. Which means the SEC can still have it's precious second team. It also means a better opportunity for a non-power 5 team to qualify for the CFP. The CFP committee would then rank the teams 1-8 with top four teams hosting the first round. Using the current ranking the match ups would be UA vs UW, Clemson vs. UCF(or Mich), ND vs OSU, GA vs OK. Now I don't know about you guys but I'd rather see any of these match ups than any of the Conference Championship Game as at least of half of the match ups in the Conference Championship games aren't relevant to the National Championship. These match ups would all be relevant.
So my preference would be # 2 though it's not perfect and #1 option would certainly be better than what we currently have. If we select # 2 that also helps with scheduling because the power conference could then just simply get rid of divisions. So this makes option #2 the better choice in my eyes.
As it is now, if the CFP remains as it is, I'd like to see the Big 10 and Pac 12, who keep getting screwed, pull out of CFP, pull the Rose Bowl out of the CFP and continue on with the Rose Bowl tradition of Pac 12 vs BIG and return it back to being the most significant game played annually in College Football.
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So we can’t do the “horns down” this weekend. Bunch of snowflakes....
BTW, that the first time I’ve used that term since they started using it to refer to crybabies, but I thought it was entirely appropriate for Texas and the Big 12.
BTW, that the first time I’ve used that term since they started using it to refer to crybabies, but I thought it was entirely appropriate for Texas and the Big 12.
WinterBorn
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I disagree that the Big10 and the Pac12 keep getting screwed.
And as for the conference championships being required to get into the playoff, I couldn't disagree more.
This week Ohio State will play for the Big10 Championship. Ohio State has a horrible loss to a team that only became bowl eligible on the last game of the season. OSU had to play overtime to beat Maryland. A team that is not even bowl eligible. And their opponent in the Big10 Championship game? Northwestern.
Northwestern is 8-4. Northwestern lost to Akron. AKRON! And yet, if they win this one ball game, you think they should be in the playoffs? Over 1 and 2 loss Power 5 teams?
I can't get behind that. It obviously leaves better teams outside in favor of the winners of a single game.