Screw Evan Bayh

Darla said:
He needs Biden. And I’m a person who wanted a real populist like Edwards. I am telling you he needs a kick-ass. He needs the guy with the gravitas. The dems don’t have too many like that hanging around.
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I would agree with that. Biden is exactly what the ticket needs in that he will trade blows with anyone. His foreign policy experience is second to none among the Dems. Which is why i still think Biden will end up being his choice.
 
Please not Biden. He'll hurt more than he helps, notwithstanding his fearlessness of calling "malarkey" on Republican bullshit.

Note to others: when Superfreak is providing advice about what Democrats ought to do it is best not to follow it. He doesn't necessarily have the best interest of the party in mind.
 
Dungheap said:
Please not Biden. He'll hurt more than he helps, notwithstanding his fearlessness of calling "malarkey" on Republican bullshit.

Note to others: when Superfreak is providing advice about what Democrats ought to do it is best not to follow it. He doesn't necessarily have the best interest of the party in mind.
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THANK YOU.

I've been saying it for weeks.
 
Dungheap said:
Please not Biden. He'll hurt more than he helps, notwithstanding his fearlessness of calling "malarkey" on Republican bullshit.

Note to others: when Superfreak is providing advice about what Democrats ought to do it is best not to follow it. He doesn't necessarily have the best interest of the party in mind.
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I’m not taking SF’s advice though. It’s my own opinion. I don’t think he’d hurt more than he’d help. I think that his reputation for having his foot in his mouth is way overblown. Bayh does nothing for Obama. Kaine hurts him.
 
blackascoal said:
Irrespective of the "ultra" designation, it was the left that propelled Obama into the nomination. Centrist democrats supported Clinton.

The left that supported him weren't looking for a socialist, they were looking for change. It appears that you believe the left should just shut up and be happy now that they've been used.

That's an interesting strategy .. but it doesn't appear to be working. Without the energy of the left, McCain, the worst candidate for president in American history, may indeed win.

Voters aren't flocking to McCain, but Obama, on his wide swing to the right, isn't picking up more rural voters or republicans .. voters on the left are slipping away thus making the race much closer than it should be.

Perhaps the left can be ignored.

We'll see.
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McCain is the worst candidate in history? Wow.

Yet you say he might win.... so...

1) what does that say about your candidate?

2) by this admission that he might win are you taking back your prediction of Obama getting 400 electoral votes? Landslide victory etc...???
 
I would just like for someone to explain to me, taking into account the Rovian campaign that McCain is running and going to continue to run, anyone believes that Obama doesn’t need a strong VP pick? WTF is Evan Bayh going to do for him? Anyone, just please tell me what is Bayh going to do for him? He would have been best off playing to the left and going with Edwards, the same way the R’s won by playing to the right with Dick and Ashcroft etc. But if Edwards is out for whatever reason, he needs to go strong on foreign policy.

Maybe I am crazy, but I would love someone to give me detailed explanation of where?
 
Dungheap said:
Please not Biden. He'll hurt more than he helps, notwithstanding his fearlessness of calling "malarkey" on Republican bullshit.

Note to others: when Superfreak is providing advice about what Democrats ought to do it is best not to follow it. He doesn't necessarily have the best interest of the party in mind.
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Or could it be that I am giving you my honest opinion of who the best VP choice would be knowing that you will automatically assume the worst of that person and then not like the choice?
 
blackascoal said:
Irrespective of the "ultra" designation, it was the left that propelled Obama into the nomination. Centrist democrats supported Clinton.

The left that supported him weren't looking for a socialist, they were looking for change. It appears that you believe the left should just shut up and be happy now that they've been used.

That's an interesting strategy .. but it doesn't appear to be working. Without the energy of the left, McCain, the worst candidate for president in American history, may indeed win.

Voters aren't flocking to McCain, but Obama, on his wide swing to the right, isn't picking up more rural voters or republicans .. voters on the left are slipping away thus making the race much closer than it should be.

Perhaps the left can be ignored.

We'll see.
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If you're going to vote Green this year, I think you would be making a mistake. Principles are important, but the Democrats are fielding about the best candidate they've had in a long time who is able to make some of the basic Democratic ideas seem palatable to moderates and even people concerned about "Big Government".

If the left is going to Kerry-ize Obama and start saying "At least he's not McCain!" then they will help elect McCain, and quite frankly, remove McCain's biggest weakness--that nobody cares about his campaign--and place it on Obama as well.

I don't really believe everyone here who says they won't vote for Obama if this or that happens, but I do have concern for them over their lack of enthusiasm and how it influences others.

The left doesn't have guts. If they really were serious about their core issues, they would have dumped Kerry for being complicit in the war (and effectively advocating John McCain's Surge policy as a candidate, if you recall), and they wouldn't have elected a bunch of Democrats to Congress who failed to end the war.

In the past, the Democrats have been willing to give up anything for the prospect of winning over a dreaded Republican...that is, until now (seemingly). ...Why change now? This is your best shot.
 
Superfreak said:
McCain is the worst candidate in history? Wow.

Yet you say he might win.... so...

1) what does that say about your candidate?

2) by this admission that he might win are you taking back your prediction of Obama getting 400 electoral votes? Landslide victory etc...???
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First, Obama is not "my" candidate. He was my choice over Clinton, who wouldn't be any better, but since the primaries have ended he's looking for votes in rural America, not mine.

Yes, McCain is a pitiful candidate, and yes, he might win.

And yes, I'm taking back my prediction that there will be a landslide or that Obama will come anywhere near 400 electoral votes.

Sad, but true.
 
blackascoal said:
First, Obama is not "my" candidate. He was my choice over Clinton, who wouldn't be any better, but since the primaries have ended he's looking for votes in rural America, not mine.

Yes, McCain is a pitiful candidate, and yes, he might win.

And yes, I'm taking back my prediction that there will be a landslide or that Obama will come anywhere near 400 electoral votes.

Sad, but true.
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Ok.... fair enough.

In case you didn't see the comment on a thread a few days ago....

Watched the Great Debaters.... very good movie. Thanks for the recommendation.
 
Adam Weinberg said:
If you're going to vote Green this year, I think you would be making a mistake. Principles are important, but the Democrats are fielding about the best candidate they've had in a long time who is able to make some of the basic Democratic ideas seem palatable to moderates and even people concerned about "Big Government".

If the left is going to Kerry-ize Obama and start saying "At least he's not McCain!" then they will help elect McCain, and quite frankly, remove McCain's biggest weakness--that nobody cares about his campaign--and place it on Obama as well.

I don't really believe everyone here who says they won't vote for Obama if this or that happens, but I do have concern for them over their lack of enthusiasm and how it influences others.

The left doesn't have guts. If they really were serious about their core issues, they would have dumped Kerry for being complicit in the war (and effectively advocating John McCain's Surge policy as a candidate, if you recall), and they wouldn't have elected a bunch of Democrats to Congress who failed to end the war.

In the past, the Democrats have been willing to give up anything for the prospect of winning over a dreaded Republican...that is, until now (seemingly). ...Why change now? This is your best shot.
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First, I'm not a democrat and care little for what they do. My support for Obama was not based on party affiliation or what is best for the Democratic Party. My support was based on my perception of him as an honest politician with principles and conviction and that he was not a warmonger. As it turns out, there are no principles or convictions he wouldn't trade for a few poll points and he is in fact a warmonger.

The left has far more guts than you seem to know, but the Democratic Party is not the left. The left had the guts to stand against the war .. and the successes of the democrats in 06 came form the left, not the squishy middle who capitulated to Bush.

Obama's nomination came from the left .. the center voted for Clinton.

You say the left should have dumped Kerry for being complicit in the war, yet you suggest that the left should be supporting Obama even though he's flipping and flopping over Iraq and is beating the war drums over Afghanistan and Iran and his policies on Pakistan could cause far greater damage than the disaster of Iraq.

He won't even be photographed with a muslim and he's just as pro right-wing zionist policies in the ME as Bush. Where is the change, where is the courage?

I appreciate your thoughts brother, but Obama may be your best shot, not mine.
 
Superfreak said:
Ok.... fair enough.

In case you didn't see the comment on a thread a few days ago....

Watched the Great Debaters.... very good movie. Thanks for the recommendation.
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Thank you my brother.

I had not seen the comment, but I'm glad to know you enjoyed the movie .. which was in fact a true story.
 
Cypress said:
"So, four years of that smelly, dementia-ridden nasty old fuck, but, with a strong Democratic house and senate to keep his craziest shit off the board, including Alito-like supreme court nominees. Four years later, americans are finally in such bad shape that we finally get a real, FDR-like liberal."

LOL, wow I hadn't thought of it like that. That's a great point.

I still don't know if I can stomach McCain doing nothing substantive on global warming, or appointing anti-Choice justices to the SCOTUS. That would really bum me out.

But you're right: Bayh is not only lame, but he would be another Lieberman-type VP pick. He'd let the republicans walk all over him with their sleaze.
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Four years of McCain would end abortion in most states. I'd have to drive to Massachusetts to get an abortion.
 
blackascoal said:
Thank you my brother.

I had not seen the comment, but I'm glad to know you enjoyed the movie .. which was in fact a true story.
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yeah, I had no idea that had ever occured. Stuff like this should be taught to every kid in this country. To excel in the face of such extreme adversity is an example we should all look up to.
 
Chapdog said:
some people wound not be happy with any democrat thats not ultra left. When thoes democrats are not happy about there candidate then it makes me feel warm knowing we are not getting a socialist tax and spend dem.

I listen to allot of his town hall meetings and platforms on youtube and find him to be very moderate and common sense on many issues that i care about.
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It's really good that he plays you guys so well. Maybe he's not so bad after all...
 
Chapdog said:
I liked mccain up till this election. I have to vote based on the platform they are running for office.. Based on the past I would chose mccain over obama since mccain was more moderate and obama was the leftest dem. I find that right now obama is more moderate and sensible candidate then mccain.
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Well, I have to say you seem like you're capable of learning and self improvement. I know you used to be a Con, a Bush voter. So kudos to you for recognizing that a war mongering, alzheimers-riddled old man is the last thing this country needs.

There's still a few cons on the board, that will put Party over the interests of their country. It's kinda shocking that anyone would vote for Dole-Bush-Bush (again) - and McCain. Its like their living in a fantasy world, where they want to do the same, failed shit over and over expecting a different result.
 
Darla said:
You could drive to NY, we’re closer, and it won’t end it here.
Do you feel you are going to need one, for some reason?
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LOL.

I will not need an abortion and it's unlikely anyone I know would require an abortion b/c of me in the near future. But I'd still hate to see the supreme court not have a liberal or moderate majority for the first time since Dred Scott.
 
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