Shooting in Kentucky

archives said:
Not at all, the fifty thousand dead Americans a year via gun violence is anything but anecdotes, rather the reality
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Do you see a difference between suicide and murder? How about domestic murder and gang violence?

I disagree with One-Size-Fits-All laws and would prefer to be smart, reasonable and preserve the rights of all Americans.
 
archives said:
www.statista.com

Number of firearm deaths in the U.S. 2021 | Statista

In 2021, there were 48,830 fatalities caused by injuries related to firearms in the United States, the highest number of gun deaths ever recorded in the country.
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Did you notice a trend?
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Suicide is not murder, its not even a crime

Murder is

“The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another”.



Why are u against suicide? its their body their choice
 
Commander Dutch said:
Do you have data on that? I'd like to read the study.

Regardless, better mental health care would save lives. Even if only half the suicides were stopped, that's about 25,000 American lives saved every year.

Consider that the Democrats trying to ban guns has been a 30-year losing battle. All they've accomplished is to have SCOTUS reinforce gun rights. Once those cases are ruled upon, it's very difficult to overturn a SCOTUS decision.

I'm offering a solution that actually saves lives, both with suicides and murder. Consider this plan:
1. Screen all kids K-12 in public schools at the beginning, middle and end of the year with a 20-30 minute computer-based mental health exam. This would be protected by HIPAA and the only way anyone would see the results (except for the parents) is if a problem was flagged. A lot of mental health screening is trends. Getting a baseline in school is a good start.

2. Expand to college students.

3. Expand to annual physicals. Notice that, before Obamacare, insurance companies didn't like preventative care. Now they do. It's cheaper. It works the same with mental health care. PTSD is easier to prevent than to cure.

4. Related to Obama's "Cancer Moonshot" which resulted in great leaps forward in cancer treatment, of which both my brother and I have benefited, is to have a similar program for mental health care. A lot of bipolars hate taking their medicine. Same for Schizos. Find out why. Develop better medications. Biden's signature today is a step in the right direction: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/09/health/mental-health-parity-rule/index.html

5. Laws are already on the books about guns and people with mental health problems. The problem is getting past HIPAA so such people can be flagged. Part of this is a path to get off the flagged list. Note that it's easy to get on the TSA terrorist list and very difficult to get off. Taking rights from Americans shouldn't be easy and giving them back their rights shouldn't be hard. 18 U.S.C. § 922(d)

When mental health exams and treatment become routine, people will be more open about it and the nation will become healthier in the long run. The bonus is that suicides and murders will drop along with paranoia and violent tendencies.
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Incidence and Lethality of Suicidal Overdoses by Drug Class

This cross-sectional study investigates the epidemiology of drug poisoning suicides in US state census and national sample data.What is the association between classes of drugs consumed and the lethality of suicidal drug overdoses?In this cross-sectional ...
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Among 421 466 drug poisoning suicidal acts resulting in 21 594 deaths


 
archives said:
“Kentucky shooting Sunday updates: Local schools closed Monday, investigation continues”
www.courier-journal.com

Kentucky shooting Sunday updates: Officials continue search, pausing efforts at dark

Laurel County, Kentucky, authorities confirmed that five people suffered gunshot wounds on Interstate 75 Saturday evening.
www.courier-journal.com

Suppose rnow we got align armed guards along highways

But the right will tell us the proliferation of guns in America nor the easy access to those guns has anything to do with it
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A human pulled the trigger.
 
archives said:
Gun manufacturers, politically and publicly, don’t you recall the terror once Obama takes office that he was coming after your guns
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Soooooo....according to you, gun manufacturers made us this way just like sex toy manufacturers made people turn gay?
 
Commander Dutch said:
How many of those 48,000 are murders and how many are suicides? It's wrong when the MAGAts lie with statistics and it's wrong when the far Left does the same.

Most murders are committed with a handgun, not ARs, despite all the screaming from the left side of the room.


www.statista.com

Homicides by firearm in the U.S. 2021 | Statista

In 2021, 85.7 percent of homicides were committed by firearm in the United States, compared to 76.7 percent in the previous year.
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Yeah, but here's the thing: The surviving family members of mass shooting victims where a formerly banned assault rifle was used DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE STATISTICS! Assault weapons just make the job EASIER for the nut jobs and fanatics. Case in point.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Yeah, but here's the thing: The surviving family members of mass shooting victims where a formerly banned assault rifle was used DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE STATISTICS! Assault weapons just make the job EASIER for the nut jobs and fanatics. Case in point.
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Of course. They are grieving just like the families of those killed in car crashes and swimming pool deaths of children.

Thanks for agreeing that the problem is "nut jobs and fanatics", both clear cases of mental illness. Let's keep the guns out of the hands of "nut jobs and fanatics". To do that, we need to identify them first.

Since it would be illegal to target one group of Americans for mental fitness, let's find a way to test all of them. :)
 
archives said:
Not as sucessful, can’t say I ever saw a statistic that showed 21,000 people a year hung themselves
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United States of America: 14.5. suicides per 100,000

Japan 17.6 suicides per 100,000


The total number of deaths from suicide was 31,413 (22,402 males and 9,011 females) in Japan and 29,180 (23,443 males and 5,737 females) in the United States

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Comparative Study about Methods of Suicide between Japan and the United States

BACKGROUND: Suicide is one of the most important public health issues in both Japan and the United States. This study is to clarify the differences in methods of suicide between the two countries, among various races within the United States, and between ...
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Prohibited firearms: Handguns are prohibited, and citizens cannot buy, sell, possess, or carry firearms in Japan



Japan has one of the lowest gun ownership rates in the world, with about 0.3 firearms per 100 people. This is in stark contrast to the United States, where there are about 120 guns per 100 people.




This should end the bullshit that more/access to guns cause more suicides
 
Commander Dutch said:
Of course. They are grieving just like the families of those killed in car crashes and swimming pool deaths of children.

Thanks for agreeing that the problem is "nut jobs and fanatics", both clear cases of mental illness. Let's keep the guns out of the hands of "nut jobs and fanatics". To do that, we need to identify them first.

Since it would be illegal to target one group of Americans for mental fitness, let's find a way to test all of them. :)
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Okay, NOT to unload on you in particular,
BUT
I am SO FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE USING THESE LAME, ABSURED COMPARISONS AND "EXPLANATIONS" IN SOME WEIRD ATTEMPT TO PLACATE GUN MONKEY MANTRAS AND NRA/GUN MANUFACTURERS PUBLIC RELATION BLATHER.

Cars are NOT designed specifically to kill. Guns are.

Pool drownings (for the VAST majority) are accidents.

Leaning on "mental illness" IGNORES THE FACT that these folk were lucid enough to purchase the weapon that was designed to do exactly what it was advertised to do .... A LIGHTER WEIGHT WEAPON EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTLY KILL NUMEROUS TARGETS WITH LOWERED RECOIL FOR THE AMATEUR USER. A weapon that was formerly banned.

Your last sentence does not make sense. How is a universal background check that can access adjudicated mental illness diagnosis "targeting one group"? As it stands (and has stood long before you or I were born), people with certain mental health diagnosis were prevented from holding certain jobs. Why this shouldn't apply to possessing a deadly weapon is a ridiculous argument.
 
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