Teabaggees

Yes, the Republicans have now almost openly embraced a political strategy that nothing must get done as long as a Democrat is in the white house, because a Democratic president cannot get credit for anything. They're going to have to get used to it too because I don't think any of the whackjobs they're running this time can win an election.


It is fairly disturbing. The Republican Party is basically a cancer on the country.
 
they want to shrink us to a size so they can drag us down the hall way and drown us in the tub.


They seek the destructioin of this nation


face it

ITS REAL


they are the evil from within



until you face this reality you are fooling your self
 
Its why their economic plan never changes with the FACTS and that it is identical to what Mussolini did to turn Italy into a fascist state
 
Well, the ol' "defund the government to prove it doesn't work" strategy. The Tories in Britain are currently trying this with the NHS, which apparently has brought things to such a pass that the NHS workers are doing labor actions.

evince said:
that it is identical to what Mussolini did to turn Italy into a fascist state

No it isn't.
 
what di benny the moose do

he deregulated

he privatized everything

then he gave the top government jobs to all the CEOs


why is the right only interested in CEOs for office now?
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Italy_under_fascism#Fascist_economic_policy



First steps[edit]

The Fascist government began its reign in an insecure position. Coming to power in 1922, after the March on Rome, it was a minority government until the 1923 Acerbo Law and the 1924 elections, and it took until 1925, after the assassination of Giacomo Matteotti, to establish itself securely as a dictatorship.

Economic policy in the first few years was largely classical liberal, with the Ministry of Finance controlled by the old liberal Alberto De Stefani. The government undertook a low-key laissez-faire program — the tax system was restructured (February 1925 law, 23 June 1927 decree-law, etc.), there were attempts to attract foreign investment and establish trade agreements, efforts were made to balance the budget and cut subsidies. The 10% tax on capital invested in banking and industrial sectors was repealed, while the tax on directors and administrators of anonymous companies (SA) was cut down by half. All foreign capital was exonerated of taxes, while the luxury tax was also repealed.[2] Mussolini also opposed municipalization of enterprises.[2]

The 19 April 1923 law transferred life insurance to private enterprise, repealing the 1912 law which had created a State Institute for insurances and which had envisioned to give a state monopoly ten years later.[3] Furthermore, a 19 November 1922 decree suppressed the Commission on War Profits, while the 20 August 1923 law suppressed the inheritance tax inside the family circle.[2]

There was a general emphasis on what has been called productivism — national economic growth as a means of social regeneration and wider assertion of national importance.

Up until 1925 the country enjoyed modest growth but structural weaknesses increased inflation and the currency slowly fell (1922 L90 to £1, 1925 L145 to £1). In 1925 there was a great increase in speculation and short runs against the lira. The levels of capital movement became so great the government attempted to intervene. De Stefani was sacked, his program side-tracked, and the Fascist government became more involved in the economy in step with the increased security of their power.

In 1925, the Italian state abandoned its monopoly on telephones' infrastructure, while the state production of matches was handed over to a private "Consortium of matches' productors.[3]"

Furthermore, various banking and industrial companies were financially supported by the state. One of Mussolini's first act was to fund the metallurgical trust Ansaldo to the height of 400 millions Lire. Following the deflation crisis which started in 1926, banks such as the Banco di Roma, the Banco di Napoli or the Banco di Sicilia were also assisted by the state.[4] In 1924, the Unione Radiofonica Italiana (URI) was formed by private entrepreneurs and part of the Marconi group, and granted the same year a monopoly of radio broadcasts. URI became the RAI after the war
 
He certainly did not "deregulate" or privatize. Indeed, at first he didn't change much, all he did was imprison leftists and beat them up in the streets and the like.

But Republicans don't want to use their party as a vehicle to abolish the distinction between civil society and the state, they have no paramilitary organizations, they aren't imprisoning or beating up leftists that I know about. The Fascist Council or whatever it was called was the closest parallel with what the Republicans are doing today. The deployment of the power of the state for the interests of the wealthy is a broad similarity between the Republicans and the fascists but the way they are achieving that is very different.

Republicans want the government to stop working so that corporations and the rich can govern by default, they are not interested in the sort of active state posture required by fascism.

EDIT: ok, reading the article it appears he did privatize initially. This is still not really part of the "fascist" program and as the article says this is because at first the fascist government's hold on power was tenuous. Fascism was also quite untried at this point, and really hadn't established much of a governing ideology because the Party consisted of a bunch of thugs whose main hobby was to break leftists' heads.

The main characteristics of the fascist economy are corporatism and autarky. The Republicans are into corporatism but not autarky. Though perhaps that will change with time. The Republicans seem to lack a coherent ideology except "we do what our donors tell us."
 
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I only read your first line.


that one I already proved was true


YES HE DID



Economic policy in the first few years was largely classical liberal, with the Ministry of Finance controlled by the old liberal Alberto De Stefani. The government undertook a low-key laissez-faire program — the tax system was restructured (February 1925 law, 23 June 1927 decree-law, etc.), there were attempts to attract foreign investment and establish trade agreements, efforts were made to balance the budget and cut subsidies. The 10% tax on capital invested in banking and industrial sectors was repealed, while the tax on directors and administrators of anonymous companies (SA) was cut down by half. All foreign capital was exonerated of taxes, while the luxury tax was also repealed.[2] Mussolini also opposed municipalization of enterprises.[2]

The 19 April 1923 law transferred life insurance to private enterprise, repealing the 1912 law which had created a State Institute for insurances and which had envisioned to give a state monopoly ten years later.[3] Furthermore, a 19 November 1922 decree suppressed the Commission on War Profits, while the 20 August 1923 law suppressed the inheritance tax inside the family circle.[2]
 
evince said:
I only read your first line.


that one I already proved was true


YES HE DID

I see no deregulation in what you've advanced, only privatization. And under fascism it's more like quasi-privatization since there is no firm boundary between the state and private corporations anyway.

And I typed a lot more than the first line, you might want to read the rest of it. There are many parallels between Mussolini's Italy and today's US. The Republicans exhibit many fascist tendencies.

One interesting phrase from the article on the economics of fascism that jumped out at me was "Profit is private and individual. Losses are social." We are certainly already living in that world, elites have succeeded in using a variety of devices to capture profits for themselves while pushing losses onto others (ultimately onto the public in many cases). But both parties have been more-or-less equally to blame. Clinton was the one who deregulated the financial sector and Obama has done nothing to hold the bankers accountable for the economic crisis.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Italy_under_fascism#Fascist_economic_policy



Fascist economic policy[edit]

Benito Mussolini came to power in 1922 and tried to transform the country's economy along fascist ideology, at least on paper. In fact he was not an economic radical, nor sought a free-hand in the economy. His main interest was to use economic power to politically reshape the Italian state to fit his ideological outlook. He aligned himself with industrial interests and forged a modus vivendi with the ruling groups of Italian capitalism. As in Nazi Germany the economic policies of Mussolini are difficult to define. There is a messy tangle between economic theory and economic practice which leads to two opposing views - either Mussolini had an economic plan, or that he did not, but instead reacted to changes without forward planning.[1]

To proponents of the first view, Mussolini did have a clear economic agenda, both long and short-term, from the beginning of his rule. The government had two main objectives — to modernize the economy, and to remedy the country's lack of strategic resources.

To stimulate development Mussolini pushed the modern capitalistic sector in the service of the state, intervening directly as needed to create a collaboration between the industrialists, the workers, and the state. The government crushed fundamental class conflicts in favour of corporatism. In the short term the government worked to reform the widely-abused tax system, dispose of inefficient state-owned industry, cut government costs, and introduce tariffs to protect the new industries.

The lack of industrial resources, especially the key ingredients of the industrial revolution, was countered by the intensive development of the available domestic sources and by aggressive commercial policies - searching for particular raw material trade deals, or attempting strategic colonization.

Some historians,[citation needed] however, have argued that Mussolini had essentially no grasp of economics and that Italian fascism was actually a negative force on the Italian economy - holding back genuine modernisation and badly distorting economic development, even before the war.

First steps[edit]

The Fascist government began its reign in an insecure position. Coming to power in 1922, after the March on Rome, it was a minority government until the 1923 Acerbo Law and the 1924 elections, and it took until 1925, after the assassination of Giacomo Matteotti, to establish itself securely as a dictatorship.

Economic policy in the first few years was largely classical liberal, with the Ministry of Finance controlled by the old liberal Alberto De Stefani. The government undertook a low-key laissez-faire program — the tax system was restructured (February 1925 law, 23 June 1927 decree-law, etc.), there were attempts to attract foreign investment and establish trade agreements, efforts were made to balance the budget and cut subsidies. The 10% tax on capital invested in banking and industrial sectors was repealed, while the tax on directors and administrators of anonymous companies (SA) was cut down by half. All foreign capital was exonerated of taxes, while the luxury tax was also repealed.[2] Mussolini also opposed municipalization of enterprises.[2]

The 19 April 1923 law transferred life insurance to private enterprise, repealing the 1912 law which had created a State Institute for insurances and which had envisioned to give a state monopoly ten years later.[3] Furthermore, a 19 November 1922 decree suppressed the Commission on War Profits, while the 20 August 1923 law suppressed the inheritance tax inside the family circle.[2]

There was a general emphasis on what has been called productivism — national economic growth as a means of social regeneration and wider assertion of national importance.

Up until 1925 the country enjoyed modest growth but structural weaknesses increased inflation and the currency slowly fell (1922 L90 to £1, 1925 L145 to £1). In 1925 there was a great increase in speculation and short runs against the lira. The levels of capital movement became so great the government attempted to intervene. De Stefani was sacked, his program side-tracked, and the Fascist government became more involved in the economy in step with the increased security of their power.

In 1925, the Italian state abandoned its monopoly on telephones' infrastructure, while the state production of matches was handed over to a private "Consortium of matches' productors.[3]"

Furthermore, various banking and industrial companies were financially supported by the state. One of Mussolini's first act was to fund the metallurgical trust Ansaldo to the height of 400 millions Lire. Following the deflation crisis which started in 1926, banks such as the Banco di Roma, the Banco di Napoli or the Banco di Sicilia were also assisted by the state.[4] In 1924, the Unione Radiofonica Italiana (URI) was formed by private entrepreneurs and part of the Marconi group, and granted the same year a monopoly of radio broadcasts. URI became the RAI after the war
 
evince said:
when you privatize all government what happens to regulation?

It depends on the arrangements you use. If it's correct that Mussolini was governing on classical liberal principles (not fascist principles) in the 1920s then it may be correct that he "deregulated." But I think it's more correct to say he "re-regulated," and that he changed the principles on which regulation was supposed to be based (e.g. it went from being for the good of the people to the good of the wealthy, and whatever was necessary for the nation's "virility").

Those closest in stated ideology to the fascists are the New Democrats, not the Republicans (though practically speaking there is very little difference between New Democrats like Clinton and the Republicans, they pay lip service to different values).

I would say that rather than being something the Republicans are pushing on us, this is something that elites are pushing through their civil society organizations--corporations, PACs, etc. via both parties. Indeed, they largely have already succeeded in creating the salient characteristics. As Noam Chomsky has said we currently have a system where public funds are used to develop technologies that are then turned over to the private sector to be developed for profit. Private profits, social losses.
 
yeap classical liberal stuff which paved the way for fascism.


that is what the Koch brothers want for their money.

the want the grover norquest plan

bathtub drowning
 
Classical liberalism paved the way for fascism by failing so utterly as a governing ideology. It worked pretty well in the 19th century but as economies got more complex and more corporate, socialism happened. It became necessary to run the economy on socialist principles in order to safeguard capitalism...and Marx smiled from beyond the grave.
 
yes its a disaster


History shows that clearly


ask your self why the right in this country refuses all the facts that show that?



because they lying about what they really want


just like Bennie the Moose did


he even trashed the word democracy like the current right here does
 
The people dragging right wing voters through the shit filled gutter at Fox want something for it.


the base are just stupid fucking racist tards for the playing
 
Going after Unions is the salient characteristic of all fascist movements (Marxist-Leninist ones too). They all seek to destroy or assimilate all civil society organizations that might serve as a basis for some power independent of the Party.
 
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