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Saint Guinefort
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Thanks for the warning about engaging with your posts.
Saint Guinefort
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And by the same token just because you lack any real knowledge does NOT, ipso facto, mean knowledge is without value.
Just because you don't care enough about your own faith to understand it does not mean EVERYONE is equally ignorant.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
it wasn't until the 2nd century that the churches held a synod for canonization of the Bible.......the gospels were all added to the canon at the same time as every other book of the Bible......
first) John does.......second) because everyone around them when the gospels were set to writing, knew who they were.......the first drafts were sent out as "the gospel according to Matthew".......what else was needed?.....a copy of their drivers license?......
as stated in their texts John and Matthew had different purposes in their writings......
previously dealt with in the link you refused to read......your problem and yours alone.....
Q is a summation of the oral tradition passed down between believers in the first years following Christ's death......as the disciples aged and were not able to keep up with the demand for their recollections they were encouraged by those who followed them to put their memories and recollections in writing.......it would be more surprising if there WEREN'T any common memories.....
Saint Guinefort
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WHere? Verse please.
You have exactly ZERO EVIDENCE for that claim.
Did someone tell you that or did you just make it up by yourself? You have no evidence, of course.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
I did it to trigger you; It worked!
I don't worship Trump; I worship God.
Trump has been the best president in my lifetime, and yes, I voted for him twice.
No other president in my lifetime came through on things they said they'd do as much as Trump.
No other president tried to do as much good for America with things that actually worked as Trump did, either.
Some of the things he did were things me and my buddies were talking about needed done for around a decade.
Now please show me on the doll where the Big Bad Orange Man hurt your butt.
This is wayyyy of topic. How did it get here?
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Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
And-? Did you have a point? (besides the one at the top of your head, that is)
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
John 13:23–25
John 19:26–27
John 20:1–10
John 21:1–25
there is far more evidence of that than there is for any claim made by the historical Jesus movement........
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Saint Guinefort
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Saint Guinefort
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Why don't you ever provide evidence for your position? Curious. Par for the course but still curious. I wish we had someone with a graduate degree in theology around here somewhere.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
dude....do you really imagine that the churches circulated copies of the gospels for two hundred years saying "here, we have no idea who wrote this but its really cool stuff....and that suddenly two hundred years later they all sat down and said, "hey, lets pretend Matthew wrote it!"?.......
you're a fucking idiot......
for that entire two hundred years all the churches shared copies of the gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John........no matter how hard you squeeze your eyes shut and hold your breath, no one is ever going to believe that attribution never happened.......
Several of the epistles in the NT are widely believed to be written pseudo anonymously
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
"widely believed" does not make it so, brah.
I thought you were more about reality than that.
What about Paul, hmm?
Here's something; Merry Christmas!
"
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
2(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
3And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
4And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David
5To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
6And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
7And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
8And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
9And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
15And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.
16And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.
17And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.
18And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.
19But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.
20And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.
21And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
22And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23(As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord
24And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
25And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
27And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
28Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
30For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
33And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
35(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
36And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
37And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
38And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.
39And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
40And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
41Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
42And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
43And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
44But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
45And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
46And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
47And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
50And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
51And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
52And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man."
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-Chapter-2/
Trying to be a dick? It's working...
PostmodernProphet
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the majority of atheists agree.......I would never deny something as obvious as disbelief.....
you realize what those words actually mean right........most of the people who reject the authenticity of the Bible reject the authenticity of the Bible......news at 11!......
So you finally tacitly confess after 100 posts, that my original thesis and assertion was both fair and accurate:
Most religious scholars hold that at least some of the New Testament is pseudograpica, attributed to authors who didn't write them.
Melchizedek = Michael
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I did it to trigger you; It worked!
I don't worship Trump; I worship God.
Trump has been the best president in my lifetime, and yes, I voted for him twice.
No other president in my lifetime came through on things they said they'd do as much as Trump.
No other president tried to do as much good for America with things that actually worked as Trump did, either.
Some of the things he did were things me and my buddies were talking about needed done for around a decade.
Now please show me on the doll where the Big Bad Orange Man hurt your butt.
This is wayyyy of topic. How did it get here?
So you Support Jan 6 Trump treason!
Melchizedek = Michael
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Many of those "religious scholars " are atheists
Let's see your proof.
Show me a reputable poll which indicates what percentage of PhD level religious scholars are self identified atheists.