The bible

[PostmodernProphet]

I absolutely subscribe to the binding metaphysical truth Jesus taught: the desire for wealth, power, status, material possession is an illusion, leading to corruption and sin -- and aquisition of true knowledge involves the cultivation of moral freedom and spiritual enlightenment.

and you think that is the summation of why he incarnated?......

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Sin???

Who would possibly give a shit about being "saved" from sin?

Most of what you people consider sin...is fun.

Good luck! Actions have consequences

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

and you think that is the summation of why he incarnated?......

Cypress is a fence sitter.Trys to keep every option open.

 

[Cypress]

and you think that is the summation of why he incarnated?......

That's what Jesus means to me, you decide for yourself what he means to you.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

That's what Jesus means to me, you decide for yourself what he means to you.

Do you believe Jesus is God incarnated in the flesh, that died for your sins,to give you eternal life?
A.yes
B.no

 

[Cypress]

Do you believe Jesus is God incarnated in the flesh, that died for your sins,to give you eternal life?
A.yes
B.no

Probably not. He was probably a Jewish mystic who could be seen as a prophet.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Probably not. He was probably a Jewish mystic who could be seen as a prophet.

At least you are honest.
So you claim Jesus lied when he said,"When you've seen the son you've seen the Father"?
And again when he said " Before Abraham I AM".

 

[Saint Guinefort]

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Because history is replete with PEOPLE who think God told them to become avenging angels of death.

And sometimes they do horrible things.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

At least you are honest.
So you claim Jesus lied when he said,"When you've seen the son you've seen the Father"?
And again when he said " Before Abraham I AM".

What if Jesus didn't actually lie but rather:

1. he THOUGHT he was the son of God (honestly and earnestly). You know, like someone who got a "revelation" or some such.
2. OR he didn't say them because he didn't necessarily exist but someone wrote a story
3 OR (and this one is the scary one), maybe he DID say those things but you lack the proper holy mindset to understand them (the same thing you accuse atheists of when reading the Bible. Maybe this is God's way of making Luke 6:31 a real thing for you)

Once again history is replete with examples of all these things. Well at least 1 and 2. But you get the idea.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Good luck! Actions have consequences

Hope you are reminding yourself of that daily as well.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

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Gotta believe before you can believe.

Or, this is just boilerplate for people who don't understand their faith enough to actually DISCUSS it. Either way.

 

[Cypress]

At least you are honest.
So you claim Jesus lied when he said,"When you've seen the son you've seen the Father"?
And again when he said " Before Abraham I AM".

There weren no claims that Jesus was God incarnate until the gospel of John, which seems to have been written at the end of the first century.

The earlier Synoptic gospels do not make the claim. They imply Jesus was a human based on the Jewish concepts of the Son of Man, or the Jewish concept of an adopted son of God.

The synoptic gospels were written earlier than John, and themselves seem to be based on even earlier but now lost written sources (Gospel of Q + sources L and M).

John does not seem to have been aware of, or did not use as source material, the Gospel of Mark or the Q source material.

All other things being equal, I am going to put more stock in the materiel written closer in time to the actual life and ministry of Jesus, aka the synoptics. Research prove that memories fade, and legend starts to creep in by three generations after the given events.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

That's what Jesus means to me, you decide for yourself what he means to you.

I will stick with what Christianity teaches......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Cypress is a fence sitter.Trys to keep every option open.

he's a gnostic.......gnostics believe in everything.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Because history is replete with PEOPLE who think God told them to become avenging angels of death.

And sometimes they do horrible things.

more frequently the people who do terrible things are atheists who do terrible things because they feel like it.......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

What if Jesus didn't actually lie but rather:

1. he THOUGHT he was the son of God (honestly and earnestly). You know, like someone who got a "revelation" or some such.
2. OR he didn't say them because he didn't necessarily exist but someone wrote a story
3 OR (and this one is the scary one), maybe he DID say those things but you lack the proper holy mindset to understand them (the same thing you accuse atheists of when reading the Bible. Maybe this is God's way of making Luke 6:31 a real thing for you)

Once again history is replete with examples of all these things. Well at least 1 and 2. But you get the idea.

it's interesting that there aren't billions of people who believe what atheists believe, it being all rational, you know.....

 

[Saint Guinefort]

more frequently the people who do terrible things are atheists who do terrible things because they feel like it.......

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

 

[Saint Guinefort]

it's interesting that there aren't billions of people who believe what atheists believe, it being all rational, you know.....

I didn't realize popularity was the absolute measure of truth. Why aren't you MUSLIM now? There are about as many Muslims (1.97B) as Christians (2.2B)

So how can 50% of the earth get it so very, very, very wrong if it's so OBVIOUS?

(Certainly there are FAR more Muslims than there are people in your particular sect. So why do you continue to worship the wrong version of GOd?)

 

[Saint Guinefort]

he's a gnostic.......gnostics believe in everything.....

Wouldn't you be impressed if Paul turned out to be a Gnostic? LOL

 

[PostmodernProphet]

There were no claims that Jesus was God incarnate until the gospel of John

well, not counting Matthew 1:1 of course.....

Jesus the Messiah

.....or Mark 1:1

The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah,[a] the Son of God

.....and of course Luke 3

4 As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:

“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.
5 Every valley shall be filled in,
every mountain and hill made low.
The crooked roads shall become straight,
the rough ways smooth.
6 And all people will see God’s salvation.’”[a]

but yeah, except for all four of them, none of the gospels make the claim.....