The Big O Happy Dance

blackascoal said:
Oopps.

Men and women, specifically black men and women, have very different perspectives of the movie. I gave my honest perspective my good, and hope ain't mad at me, sister.

My problem with it isn't because there was truth to it, which I certainly acknowledge, or that it wasn't a testament to the strength of black women.

I also recognized that you might take some offense to my perspective of it, which is why I asked you about Halle Berry .. which goes to the core of my problems with Purple.

I ask again, how did Halle Berry win an Oscar for "Monsters Ball" .. a self-hating piece of p() graphic trash that no white actress would have won any award for?
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1) You haven't even seen the movie yet you still profess that its cinematic man-hating. And YES, I am mad at that.

2) I didn't answer the question because Halle Berry winning an Oscar for a film made 15 - 20 years later has nothing to do with the fact that this movie was about the central character' (Miss Celie) strength and not man hating b!tchfest as a lot you seem to believe.

3) I don't care to argue with you when you start off you point with a huge and overstated hyperbole. FACT: MB is not p)rno.
 
Desh said:
Its a girls thing Bac. The color purple was about women and our histories of being nothing more than milking cows with beneifits. There was a time when women were treated much like this movie portrays and it wasnt limmited to the black experience. This movie really did bring women of all colors together.

Yeah the movie was pretty hard on the men folk. "A women aint safe in a world full of men" is what the movie was all about. Oprah was molested as a child and this film was a door opening on talking about it. Women protecting each other is the theme of the movie.

Halle Barrie did a great job in that film and that is why she won an oscar. Now like the film or not ,hate the charactor but give my girl Hallie her due respect. She rocked that role and made that part stand out. BTW a white woman later won the oscar for playing a drug addled, homosexual prostitute who murdered her johns.
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I do fully recognize there are distinct differences in what women think admirable and what man think admirable.

I do not claim what men think is any more credible than what women think.

I simply acknowledge the differences.

Berry won the award on Soul Train Night at the Oscars .. when Denzel Washington also won an award for "Training Day" although he has played FAR better roles.

Monster's Ball was pornography .. far different than the Oscar for the role of a drug-addicted prostitue who killed her johns.

Angela Bassett, a far better actress, turned down Monster's Ball. When asked why. "It's about character, darling," she replied, and then went on to describe the role as "demeaning" and serving as a "prostitute" to the white male-dominated Hollywood circle. Although she said she wasn't aiming the comments at Berry, there was certainly an edge in her words that suggested anger at the Academy for their selection."

My distaste for Monster's Ball has nothing to do with me being a man .. in fact, I'd guess that most men will enjoy it for it's .. ahh .. masturbative qualities.
 
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlize_Theron[/ame]

Bac I love you dude but face the fact that Charlize Theron won an oscar for "Monster".
 
Damocles said:
I think you are taking this too literally. If you don't think the film effects women that way then you are pretending, IMO.
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How would you know how women feel when they watch this movie?

I didn't hate men. Every other woman I know that watched this filmed didn't suddenly hate men when they watch this. I think that's a highly sexist statement that implies that women can't conrol their emotions when they watch something like this. Complete BS.
 
LadyT said:
1) You haven't even seen the movie yet you still profess that its cinematic man-hating. And YES, I am mad at that.

2) I didn't answer the question because Halle Berry winning an Oscar for a film made 15 - 20 years later has nothing to do with the fact that this movie was about the central character' (Miss Celie) strength and not man hating b!tchfest as a lot you seem to believe.

3) I don't care to argue with you when you start off you point with a huge and overstated hyperbole. FACT: MB is not p)rno.
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I don't think it is a "man hating bitchfest", I believe that the movie showed men at their worst and it drives a reaction in women that is natural and visceral. Men who brought women to see that flick were often in the dog house by association afterward because of the powerful depiction of that.

It was a short synopsis of the movie, not a judgment negative of the movie.
 
Desh said:
Its a girls thing Bac. The color purple was about women and our histories of being nothing more than milking cows with beneifits. There was a time when women were treated much like this movie portrays and it wasnt limmited to the black experience. This movie really did bring women of all colors together.

Yeah the movie was pretty hard on the men folk. "A women aint safe in a world full of men" is what the movie was all about. Oprah was molested as a child and this film was a door opening on talking about it. Women protecting each other is the theme of the movie...........
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God forbid a woman actually get out of a dangerous situation on her own........
 
Damocles said:
All of the men in that movie are such dogs that all men who bring a woman to see it are in the dog house by association.
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Au contraire! If all the men in a movie are dogs, you take a woman to see it because you look good by comparison. Thats why men hated Don Juan Demarco, we looked like oafs in comparison. (those men who saw it anyway)
 
LadyT said:
How would you know how women feel when they watch this movie?

I didn't hate men. Every other woman I know that watched this filmed didn't suddenly hate men when they watch this. I think that's a highly sexist statement that implies that women can't conrol their emotions when they watch something like this. Complete BS.
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What part of my synopsis said "women hate men"? Again, you are taking this waaaaay too personally for no reason I can comprehend. I haven't tried to judge you poorly, only that I believe you are pretending that the movie didn't effect you this way at least temporarily.

I know how it made me react, and what I observed in others.
 
LadyT said:
1) You haven't even seen the movie yet you still profess that its cinematic man-hating. And YES, I am mad at that.

2) I didn't answer the question because Halle Berry winning an Oscar for a film made 15 - 20 years later has nothing to do with the fact that this movie was about the central character' (Miss Celie) strength and not man hating b!tchfest as a lot you seem to believe.

3) I don't care to argue with you when you start off you point with a huge and overstated hyperbole. FACT: MB is not p)rno.
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I have no desire to anger you with my perspective on this .. even with as honest as it is. You shouldn't get mad at me because I have a different perspective of a movie. There is already way too much divide between black men and women. It's a movie.

But if we can't discuss Monster's Ball, then we can't get to the core of why, not just me, have no taste for The Color Purple.
 
blackascoal said:
Monster's Ball was p)(rn ography .. far different than the Oscar for the role of a drug-addicted prostitue who killed her johns.
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No. Monster's Ball was not. There were a few steamy scenes in the movie but that does not qualify it as Pno, no matter how many times you say it.
 
Solitary said:
Au contraire! If all the men in a movie are dogs, you take a woman to see it because you look good by comparison. Thats why men hated Don Juan Demarco, we looked like oafs in comparison. (those men who saw it anyway)
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:p lol

that was funny.
 
Damocles said:
I don't think it is a "man hating bitchfest", I believe that the movie showed men at their worst and it drives a reaction in women that is natural and visceral. Men who brought women to see that flick were often in the dog house by association afterward because of the powerful depiction of that.
It was a short synopsis of the movie, not a judgment negative of the movie.
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I object to your oversimplified generalizations that are flat out false, as most generalizations are. Maybe YOU were in the dog house or maybe you're friends were in the doghouse, but that does not hold true for everyone.
 
Damocles said:
What part of my synopsis said "women hate men"? Again, you are taking this waaaaay too personally for no reason I can comprehend. I haven't tried to judge you poorly, only that I believe you are pretending that the movie didn't effect you this way at least temporarily.

I know how it made me react, and what I observed in others.
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This part:

All of the men in that movie are such dogs that all men who bring a woman to see it are in the dog house by association.
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Desh said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlize_Theron

Bac I love you dude but face the fact that Charlize Theron won an oscar for "Monster".
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There were no pornographic scenes in "Monster" .. and it was not about a racist white man who participated in the killing of a black women's husband .. only to have that same woman engage in pornographis scences with the same man .. while her son suffered and ultimately died.

Question: does Angela Bassett hate women?
 
bac you hearby have your MANCARD removed. Halley was a work of art in that movie not porn. She became one of the realest, sexies/sensative woman alive.
Again, go back to your program of 1's and 0's you dork NO MANCARD.
 
blackascoal said:
There were no *graphic scenes in "Monster" .. and it was not about a racist white man who participated in the killing of a black women's husband .. only to have that same woman engage in * scences with the same man .. while her son suffered and ultimately died.

Question: does Angela Bassett hate women?
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No one is saying the movie was conventional or even that Berry's character's actions were reasonable or even understandable.

No, Angela Bassett doesn't hate women. But she like you are wrong in calling it Pono.

Question: do you think that all movies with s ex scene in them are considered pono graphic?
 
LadyT said:
No. Monster's Ball was not. There were a few steamy scenes in the movie but that does not qualify it as Pno, no matter how many times you say it.
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I liked that movie. Not only because of the steamy scenes either.
 
LadyT said:
No. Monster's Ball was not. There were a few steamy scenes in the movie but that does not qualify it as Pno, no matter how many times you say it.
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Just means we have different perspectives of what is pornography .. but it doesn't mean anger at each other should be any part of the equation.

I say again, Angela Bassett and a lot of women saw it as pornography.
 
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