The Big O Happy Dance

Darla said:
You’re not angering me. I have realized over the past two weeks, that debates, even or especially, heated debates, between lefties, are really the only ones worth having or reading.
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Got that right.
 
This is an interesting thread. It’s a thread that is so interesting, it makes you want to know more about the movies in question and the subject. Liberals, or lefties or whatever you want to call us, have had some really great debates over the past couple of weeks. Now, I give you a “hot” thread in conservative land:

Cawacko: USC Rocks! You should see a dentist!

Superfreak: You Trojan loser!

Cawacko: I’m going to pound you!

Superfreak: I beat you to it and pounded myself, Duh!

Now, I ask you….
 
Darla said:
This is an interesting thread. It’s a thread that is so interesting, it makes you want to know more about the movies in question and the subject. Liberals, or lefties or whatever you want to call us, have had some really great debates over the past couple of weeks. Now, I give you a “hot” thread in conservative land:

Cawacko: USC Rocks! You should see a dentist!

Superfreak: You Trojan loser!

Cawacko: I’m going to pound you!

Superfreak: I beat you to it and pounded myself, Duh!

Now, I ask you….
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You forgot:

:rolleyes:
 
LadyT said:
Now that's an article that can spark conversation. And probably deserves its own thread. Frankly I don't even know where to begin.

I'll start off with the movie in the original topic itself:

Before I start, now that I see how you tied to the Color Purple in to MB, don't think I didn't catch your game. We were talking about movies and you just wanted to get your diatribe out about Monsters Ball. Yes. Hollywood praises and perpetuates Black stereotypes and MB certainly had a lot of said stereotypes. Moving on to the Color Purple.

1) I can't speak for others but I didn't incest was something that was attributed to black stereotypes specifically. To be honest, I'd never considered what choices a Black woman or any woman at that time had in terms of refuse. There were no hotlines, rights groups, group homes or watch dog organization to help them. Most of them had to suffer in silence.

2) As for degragation, that was a part of life for all minorities back then. And certainly those who managed to survive through Jim Crowe laws and sexism deserve a voice.

3) I'm not denying that there were ignorant black men in that movie, but there were also good men and men who redeemed themselves i.e. Shug's husband, Lawrence Fishborne's character, etc.

4) Attacking Speilburg is weak, I'm calling Ad-hominem
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1. I agree somewhat, but there were also many strong women even at that time, even through the storm.

2. I agree

3. There are different opinions about Fishborne's role ,, but for argument's sake, I'll agree.

4. What attack? It was a statement of fact and if you have different evidence I'd llike to hear it. By all means, tell me what black characters Spielberg has introduced in the many movies he's made. I have always been into movies .. they have been a means of escape for me and I know the difference directors make. I get more excited about who's directing a movie than I do about who is starring in it.

Would that have been the same movie if it were made by John Singleton, Antwan Fuqua, John Woo, or anyone who has an affinity for the subject, I doubt it.

Additionally, I won't divulge too much of private conversations, but as I said, I spent a bit of time with Danny Glover. Suffice it to say he had some reservations about his role and the movie. I was blessed to have a conversation with Glover and Issac Hayes in my office about movies in general and music that lasted for almost an hour .. until Issac started injecting his Scientology beliefs :eek:. During the conversation I was surprised to find they shared the same disgust with the trash that comes out of Hollywood and what movies they felt didn't deserve the acclaim they were given. We had big fun with "The Cotton Club" .. starring Richard Gere. How in the hell do you make a movie about the Cotton Club and make the star Richard Gere? Let's just say gerbils entered the conversation. :)

Finally, you can dismiss my thoughts about Monster's Ball as diatribe .. that's cool, and I respect your opinion .. but I express the same opinion that a huge percentage of the black community has about it, both men and women. My point about both movies and their connection that I think you missed is that I find them both demeaning and just more of the same perpetuation of negative stereotypes that reinforce racist and sexist ideas.
 
blackascoal said:
I refused to see the Color Purple because I thought it was about hating black people. If I want to write a book that would get notice and acclaim, just write a book about self-hate. I might get a Nobel Prize.

Purple engendered a whole host of self-hate "I hate black men" books by people like Toni "Clinton is the first black president" Morrison and others .. and inspired "Brewster's Place" which came after.

Question: How did Halle Berry win an Oscar for "Monsters Ball" .. a self-hating piece of pornographic trash that no white actress would have won any award for?
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I once read "Their Eyes Were Watching God". Supposed to be part of the great African-American canon.

And I was like... well, that was pretty average.
 
Darla said:
"Yeah the movie was pretty hard on the men folk. "A women aint safe in a world full of men" is what the movie was all about. "

Desh, I think you hit it, that is a woman thing. Women do have this conversation. When I went to see Redacted with my girlfriends, and male Iraq vets, because it was an IVAW fundraiser…my friend sue and I came out of there knocked out. We were sobbing, I can’t even describe it. And the guys were all caught up in the PTSD of the “poor” guy who witnessed this act of mind-bending brutality in a gang-rape and murder...and did nothing to stop. Sue and I had to leave together. We don’t hate men. But we had to leave.
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I've read some pretty harsh reviews for Redacted but most of them were either about its poor artistic taste or right-wingers who thought it was troop-hating.
 
blackascoal said:
There were no pornographic scenes in "Monster" .. and it was not about a racist white man who participated in the killing of a black women's husband .. only to have that same woman engage in pornographis scences with the same man .. while her son suffered and ultimately died.

Question: does Angela Bassett hate women?
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Black art ain't about politics or making people happy with the way things turned out.
 
Art means nothing more than the sum of the emotions it arouses in you. Which is difficult to do without seeming cheap or deliberately put on. It doesn't express anything because there's nothing to express.
 
Watermark said:
Black art ain't about politics or making people happy with the way things turned out.
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I disagree and movies have more, more more to do with entertainment than they do "art."

Art conveys a message, concept, or visual interpretation.

In either case, they all are about ones specific taste.
 
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