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Retired Teacher
I quoted the pastor...from her memorial service....
Are you confused?
The God Equation
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Are you confused?
I do not think any serious or intelligent person is looking for an old guy wearing white robes who lives in the clouds.
That is a caricature which is not even taken seriously in the realm of good christian theology.
But more importantly, a universal concept of god, of a higher power, of an ultimate truth is not limited to a caricature of Charlton Heston in a white robe. Whether one is talking about a Abrahamistic god, or the Dao, or Brahman, or Nirvana, or a world spirit per animism, to me they seemingly all speak to an incomprehensible higher truth which exists outside of space, time, and direct human experience.
At this point, we do not even understand 95 percent of the universe, because the last 30 years have demostrated to us that there is apparently more to reality than quarks and leptons.
To me at least, there is value in maintaining a sense of humility about what we can know. I doubt the Dao, Brahman, Nirvana, god, or any human-created avatar for an ultimate reality behind the laws of physics can ever be tested under laboratory conditions. I am prepared to at least accept the possibility that there is knowledge about reality which is beyond our comprehension, beyond the ability of our particle accelerators to measure, and perhaps even beyond the capability of our language and mathematics to describe.
That is just my two cents.
I have no idea of where you got that "definition" of agnostic from, but stay away from that dictionary.
It MAY be impossible to know whether there is a GOD (or, are gods), but any agnostic worth his/her salt is never going to "believe" it is impossible.
In any case, my agnosticism takes this form:
I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...
...so I don't.
(When I use the word "GOD or gods" here, I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)
I most assuredly DO see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about whether or not Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Unicorns, leprechauns, and Harry Potter exist. That statement of yours is not a "cop out"...it is stupid.
On gods?
You know the POSSIBILITY of whether gods exist or not?
And you figured that out...how?
Which is more possible...and by how much?
Same response as I gave above to you.
You are being insulting for no good reason.
I do have enough unambiguous evidence to make a guess about whether or not Zeus exists.
I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH UNAMBIGUOUS EVIDENCE UPON WHICH TO MAKE A MEANINGFUL GUESS ABOUT WHETHER THERE ARE NO GODS.
Neither do you.
Nothing in the universe comes in one so there has to be a multiverse. I'm starting to understand 11 dimensions, but my problem is with TOE. It's a funding scam that's stealing from fields researching physical breakthroughs.
I doubt anyone is submitting grant proposals for a Theory of Everything. TOE is a catchall phrase for public consumption.
Einstein seemed to think a Theory of Everything was worth pursuing.
We are never going to understand the moment of creation without some new physics. The amount of funding for particle physics and string theory is a drop in the bucket compared to the money Wall Street banks accurate the income of the war profiteers, or the waste at the Pentagon.
Not having a PhD in theoretical physics, I am not in a position to say which research grant proposals should be funded. I do think physics has seemingly been stagnating for about 40 years. Outside of the Higgs Boson, the promise of the CERN super collider to find exotic new particles and insights into a new physics has not been fulfilled.
But to put it all in perspective, it took us 300 years after Newton to really grasp the underlying physical mechanism responsible for gravity.
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Truthmatters
I think he had memories of being at the matrix level
No physical him
String like connections all around him and soulful sound sent him back to the butterfly wing and the beautiful girl
The mind is more than physical
Tesla some how knew that back in his day
This is why spirituality is so ingrained in the vast majority of humans
Most religions just don’t describe or interpret it correctly
It’s one of the reason I believe organized religion is a bad way to do spirituality
It creates a scaffolding for evil people to control others
And people need to search inside for that core that is always connected to truth
And not use someone else’s interpretation
Science and math are awesome
But we need to research the mind in other ways also
Science and math don’t want things that they dont know how to measure already
They tend to dismiss as false things we have not learned How to measure yet
How can we learn to measure them when we ignore their existence
CAUTION: this poster forgot to fully investigate
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I agree with everything you said here. Except I'd challenge your 95% figure. I think it's 99+%. The larger question when it comes to the idea of 'God' is this; if a 'God' does exist, does it exist independent of human beings creating it? That to me is an intriguing question. I know I won't get an answer, but it's food for thought. The problem with theorizing an Intelligent Creator is the lack of evidence, and the completely superfluous idea that Universe had to be created by some entity, since no religion ever explains where that entity came from. God isn't necessary for existence. There is an ultimate question that can't be answered, and that's how it all started. Whether it's where God came from or where what we observe came from, that is still a question that can't be answered. At least not yet.
nice work
I do not categorically dismiss the possibility that all reality is, is nothing more than a collection of quarks and leptons. A type of strict materialism..
But I also think it is hubris to think there is no truth or knowledge beyond the range of our sense perceptions, cognition, or capacities of our particle accelerators.
Humans almost universally seem to be imbued with an a priori knowledge or intuition that there might be a higher truth we can only sense through our mind's eye.
That is why, IMO, belief in a higher reality or a universal truth can be a rationale belief.
“Rational” does not mean the same thing as “proved”: one
may rationally believe things on the basis of reasons that fall short of empircal proof or sensory experience.
I point to the authors of the Declaration of Independence: they believed there was a universal natural law which imbued humans with a natural rights no king, secular law, or social convention could morally supercede.
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Truthmatters
Top I corrected my mistake very quickly
Why do you insist I be perfect yet you support lies and liars on your side
Because you are not a good person
Or
You are not a person
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Retired Teacher
I quoted him...Do you think he's wrong? Miss Franklin's pastor...chosen to speak at her service...
"The pastor then delivered a scathing condemnation of the way black people treated each other–and contrasted it with how black people react to incidents of violence by whites against blacks.
“Where is your soul? The soul—if you choose to ask me today—do black lives matter?
“Let me answer like this: no. Black lives do not matter. Black lives will not matter. Black lives ought not matter. Black lives should not matter. Black lives must not matter.
“Until black people start respecting black lives and stop killing ourselves, black lives can never matter.” ...Pastor Jasper Williams
R-E-S-P-E-C-T....
String theory is TOE. It's considered pseudoscience. On your last thread I posted an article about Harvard and MIT being desperate for funding. So desperate that they gave Jeffrey Epstein full access for some of his CIA/Mossad money. There hasn't been a physical breakthroughs because fictional math is bleeding physics dry. The only question is why?
I was on the net when about the only thing here was string theory. Grad students were laughing and calling it easy money. It's the Wall Street for nerds.
I made clear crystal clear the nitpicks I have conceptually with string theory.
But I have not heard the wider physics community laugh at string theory as being crackpot.
At this point it is nothing more than a creative idea lacking any empircal corroboration.
That does not particularly bother me. It took 50 years for the first empirical evidence of black holes to come to light, and almost 100 years for the first direct observation of a black hole since they were first hypothesized.
Yeah, food for thought.
Don't think of it as "...Universe HAD TO BE created by some entity..." The more realistic consideration is, "...Universe MAY HAVE BEEN created by some entity.
I do not know it it was. I suspect you do not know either. I further suspect NONE OF US do.
We can continue our scientific search to find out as much as possible about what IS and WHY IT IS and HOW IT CAME TO BE, but in the meantime we can leave it for now at, "I do not know." All the guessing on the question of a "creator" is worthless.
Neither are gnats. But gnats exist. Gods MAY exist.
We do not know.
BINGO!
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Truthmatters
And I truely believe once we pursue the issue we will find how to measure and prove these realities
We just have to get studying them
That professor video I offered before the neurosurgeons video was to offer the investigations we have done to date
He is a well respected scholar
But I’m sure most stumbling onto these ideas quickly dismiss it as hippy crap
The area of study will grow and teach us
And religions will have to face what we will find
Let’s hope they don’t act like oil and tobacco companies in light of what we find