The Great Depression vs. Today; And "Share the Wealth" program.

leaningright said:
The thing about it is Rana that we have guys here that graduate from our public school who are so well trained in welding from our FFA program that they can get some of those jobs at 18 or 19. If some choose to go to Vo-Tech while they are in high school they need only pass a test to qualify for most welding jobs. Some choose to play sports in high school and can't go to Vo-Tech concurrently so they have to put in a year there after high school. Either way it works well for them.

Now the bad part for us as a public school...there have been cuts to most Vocational programs in our state (Vo-Ag and Vo-Tech) by the republicans and some the democrats along with some republicans don't like it and attach to our overall school grade in a negative fashion that these guys don't take the ACT test. That's a big F for your school. I still maintain that college ain't for everyone.
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I know, I have contact with people in Kansas going through the same thing with cuts.

I have been a long time advocate of the seven areas of intelligence and college not being for everyone. I admire European form of education, and agree our system needs some changes.
 
Rana said:
I know, I have contact with people in Kansas going through the same thing with cuts.

I have been a long time advocate of the seven areas of intelligence and college not being for everyone. I admire European form of education, and agree our system needs some changes.
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I could fix it if they'd just let me be in charge... ;)
 
I would do any work if necessary if I was put in that position. But I don't see these open jobs everyone keeps talking about and there has been no links. Maybe it's just in big cities, which I would believe...People go to cities because they are educated, not to be a labor worker.

But let's talk about the post. What should a welder make?

A welder risks heat exposure daily, is generally not in a climate controlled environment, gets burned daily even with safety equipment, does physical labor that can break down the body over time sometimes causing people to be unable to work before retirement (as all physical labor does). Balance that against a top clothing line. Kimora Lee Simmons makes $800Million a year for superficial threads hanging from the body. Capitalism and supply/demand are important for America. But not exposing pay inequality and supporting this is BULLSHIT.

If you ever watched the show Revolution where the power went out.......you can imagine the most important jobs in America. The people who work the most important jobs need to Unionize and stand up. Farmers, Mechanics, Construction, etc BREAKING BACK LABOR.

When the true necessary jobs in this Country understand their importance and fight for more money than the superficial jobs, we will see a big change.

The free market is necessary......but with education and information. No T-Shirt is worth more than another unless you have different thread count and it has nothing to do with brand name.
 
If everyone in the country that worked today made the same income it would be around $50k a year. Let me know what you think about that statement people..
 
I think that is a wonderful pie in the sky idea you have there. If I as a garbage man make $50,000 ... the same as the doctor or lawyer who went to school for years... I can tell you most of the garbage men would go for it but you would have very few doctors and lawyers. I never understood this line of thinking. It sounded good to me the first time I thought about it when a grade school teacher brought it up but when I really thought about it ... well, here, this sums it up better than I can:

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
 
leaningright said:
I think that is a wonderful pie in the sky idea you have there. If I as a garbage man make $50,000 ... the same as the doctor or lawyer who went to school for years... I can tell you most of the garbage men would go for it but you would have very few doctors and lawyers. I never understood this line of thinking. It sounded good to me the first time I thought about it when a grade school teacher brought it up but when I really thought about it ... well, here, this sums it up better than I can:

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
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Ah, but what about what Jesus said?
 
Rana said:
Ah, but what about what Jesus said?
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You mean this?

"For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; ..."

Or about taking care of the poor, which is covered in all dispensations? We are obligated to care for the poor. But never was there a promise of equality here on earth ... that can only be found in the kingdom of God.

Matt. 20:1-16 and Gal. 3:26-29

Sorry to make a Bible lesson here folks. ;)
 
leaningright said:
I think that is a wonderful pie in the sky idea you have there. If I as a garbage man make $50,000 ... the same as the doctor or lawyer who went to school for years... I can tell you most of the garbage men would go for it but you would have very few doctors and lawyers. I never understood this line of thinking. It sounded good to me the first time I thought about it when a grade school teacher brought it up but when I really thought about it ... well, here, this sums it up better than I can:

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
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I read little because your intake was so little. I never stated everyone should make the same, I simply stated they should make closer to equal than today and informing yourself on the topic will make you a better American.
 
leaningright said:
You mean this?

"For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; ..."

Or about taking care of the poor, which is covered in all dispensations? We are obligated to care for the poor. But never was there a promise of equality here on earth ... that can only be found in the kingdom of God.

Matt. 20:1-16 and Gal. 3:26-29

Sorry to make a Bible lesson here folks. ;)
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No, sorry, should have made myself clear, about the little children and the Kingdom of Heaven, your quote.
 
leaningright said:
You mean this?

"For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; ..."

Or about taking care of the poor, which is covered in all dispensations? We are obligated to care for the poor. But never was there a promise of equality here on earth ... that can only be found in the kingdom of God.

Matt. 20:1-16 and Gal. 3:26-29

Sorry to make a Bible lesson here folks. ;)
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http://www.openbible.info/topics/sharing_wealth
 
The Bible doesn't teach forced religion, let's push that aside. But to ignore that it teaches sharing the wealth, is ignorance. Again I will post it.
http://www.openbible.info/topics/sharing_wealth

The Government doesn't teach forced Government even when based on Religion.......except for anti-gays and anti-prostitution......please inform me of others if there are more.

This post isn't about equality. It's about sharing the wealth. The information shared is about information sharing ONLY. I've been attacked multiple times about sharing information already by people calling me a Socialist.

I guess what I don't get is why I can't share information on the current wage diversity without being a Socialist.

Regulation keeps America from imploding...not exploding...
 
leaningright said:
I think that is a wonderful pie in the sky idea you have there. If I as a garbage man make $50,000 ... the same as the doctor or lawyer who went to school for years... I can tell you most of the garbage men would go for it but you would have very few doctors and lawyers. I never understood this line of thinking. It sounded good to me the first time I thought about it when a grade school teacher brought it up but when I really thought about it ... well, here, this sums it up better than I can:

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
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Oh, please. Can you honestly say that the only reason people become lawyers and doctors rather than garbage men is money? No, you can't, because it's pure nonsense. There's personal ambition, pride, desire to help people, to enjoy your work, and so on; plenty of things past money.
 
Rose said:
Oh, please. Can you honestly say that the only reason people become lawyers and doctors rather than garbage men is money? No, you can't, because it's pure nonsense. There's personal ambition, pride, desire to help people, to enjoy your work, and so on; plenty of things past money.
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I have to say, I was raised to be a hard worker because that is what a man is. This is a good argument. I was also taught that money doesn't make a person more important than the next.

Every job I've ever worked has been surrounded by Right wingers who constantly tell me to slow down and stop making them look bad. (I work hard for more money, which doesn't really happen)
 
Rose said:
Oh, please. Can you honestly say that the only reason people become lawyers and doctors rather than garbage men is money? No, you can't, because it's pure nonsense. There's personal ambition, pride, desire to help people, to enjoy your work, and so on; plenty of things past money.
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Conversely are you saying that garbage men or other fields don't have a desire to help people, enjoy their work and so on?

They provide the services that allow doctors and others to provide their services. Without those that collect refuse, including bio-hazards, docs wouldn't get very far.
 
Annie said:
Conversely are you saying that garbage men or other fields don't have a desire to help people, enjoy their work and so on?

They provide the services that allow doctors and others to provide their services. Without those that collect refuse, including bio-hazards, docs wouldn't get very far.
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Doctor are a top % pay class and rely on the garbage man? What happens when the garbage man finds out? *point of the thread*
 
Anti-Party said:
I totally agree with your entire post and I love your first statement. "the RW media, which is, IMO, a propaganda machine for those very people who can never get enough" This is FACT and proof is in this thread. I stated "Share the wealth" and they called me a Socialist Left Winger.

Sharing the wealth and keeping it in the Community and shopping locally is basic Economics. Sharing wealth is a very basic necessity for an organized society to be prosperous. This isn't Left Wing propaganda, this use to be common sense. But today's RW Media has nothing to do with Christianity or common sense. They brainwash their followers into thinking that when people organize a group and demand better wages that it's an attack on the rich. And the sheep follow. Of course they don't think they are brainwashed or in a cult but every cult had the same claims that "Mainstreaming is wrong, everyone is wrong but us"
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All of the RW Christians I have lived around donate considerable time and money toward others. These people probably just don't agree with you that their money should be taken and distributed according to someone else's plan.
 
tekkychick said:
No, I haven't done welding. A friend did; she liked it, but eventually got into more specialty welding like gates and whatnot. And then had to give it up due to some kind of physical infirmity; I don't remember the details.

How about a nice job as a power line person? (smile)
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ever work on high power lines during a storm? Lol
 
leaningright said:
The thing about it is Rana that we have guys here that graduate from our public school who are so well trained in welding from our FFA program that they can get some of those jobs at 18 or 19. If some choose to go to Vo-Tech while they are in high school they need only pass a test to qualify for most welding jobs. Some choose to play sports in high school and can't go to Vo-Tech concurrently so they have to put in a year there after high school. Either way it works well for them.

Now the bad part for us as a public school...there have been cuts to most Vocational programs in our state (Vo-Ag and Vo-Tech) by the republicans and some the democrats along with some republicans don't like it and attach to our overall school grade in a negative fashion that these guys don't take the ACT test. That's a big F for your school. I still maintain that college ain't for everyone.
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remember that when the "I hate taxes" politicians get elected. Public education is one of the first things to get defunded. A more short sighted point of view does not exist.
 
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