THE QUESTION OF WHETHER ANY GODS EXIST...

PostmodernProphet said:
dude.....it's from the gospel of Matthew....
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I made a mistake there, PP...I apologize. I was working on one part of your message...and actually dealt with another part.


again, I invite you to tell us what the "rest" of the message of Jesus was......Christianity thinks that "you can only attain righteousness through me" IS the message of Jesus.....
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I will do that.

eally?...where in the Bible do you find THAT teaching?.....
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The same place where the Bible teaches that one should not cross the street in the middle of the block.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
its sort of what theology does......you look at what God said to figure out what God said.........where else would you look?......

by the way, I love the way you diverted attention from the fact that what you claimed was directly and word for word discredited.......
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You did not discredit it...what you did was to filibuster.

But as part of my attempt to do what I said in my previous post...and let's be sure we start at the beginning, so we get everything right.

The setting:

1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,

Isaac the father of Jacob,

Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,

Perez the father of Hezron,

Hezron the father of Ram,

4 Ram the father of Amminadab,

Amminadab the father of Nahshon,

Nahshon the father of Salmon,

5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,

Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,

Obed the father of Jesse,

6 and Jesse the father of King David.

David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,

7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,

Rehoboam the father of Abijah,

Abijah the father of Asa,

8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,

Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,

Jehoram the father of Uzziah,

9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,

Jotham the father of Ahaz,

Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,

Manasseh the father of Amon,

Amon the father of Josiah,

11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.

12 After the exile to Babylon:

Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,

Abihud the father of Eliakim,

Eliakim the father of Azor,

14 Azor the father of Zadok,

Zadok the father of Akim,

Akim the father of Elihud,

15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,

Eleazar the father of Matthan,

Matthan the father of Jacob,

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.
Joseph Accepts Jesus as His Son

18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[d]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[e] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[f] because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[g] (which means “God with us”).

24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
wake up to what?......that what I have said is true?......agnostic "faith" is nothing......exactly what we have both stated a combined total of nine times now.....
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There is no agnostic faith. What you said is NOT true.

I DEFY you to find any place where I said agnosticism is faith.
 
Frank Apisa said:
There is no agnostic faith. What you said is NOT true.

I DEFY you to find any place where I said agnosticism is faith.
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why would you say agnosticism is faith.....it isn't......why would I argue with you......I agree that it is isn't......why are you still posting about it?.....agnostic "faith" is nothing.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why would you say agnosticism is faith.....it isn't......why would I argue with you......I agree that it is isn't......why are you still posting about it?.....agnostic "faith" is nothing.......
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There is no agnostic faith.

That is quite different from what you are suggesting.

Try to figure it out. You do have an MA.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Matthew 1:11 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah
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18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about
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21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[f] because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[g] (which means “God with us”).
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we're on the right track.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
it is exactly what I am saying.....
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No it is not.

There is a difference...a significant difference between what you are saying and what I am saying.

You are saying "the agnostic faith is "nothing."

I am saying "there is no agnostic faith."

Look at it with the intelligence of an MA which almost certainly came lots of philosophy and logic.

What is your religion?
 
Frank Apisa said:
If you are saying that science shows that no gods exist...or that no monsters exist...

...you do not understand science, Evince.

It is very, very, very difficult to prove that something does not exist.

A logical person does not make blanket statements about what does not exist...except for definitionally impossible things. (A triangle is defined as a geometric shape with three sides. One can make a blanket statement that there are no four sided triangles.)

At best, you might be able to show that no unicorns, for instance, exist here on planet Earth. (Not that easy to do even that!) But if you say no unicorns (equine type animals with a horn jutting out of its forehead) do not exist...you got an entire universe to check out in order to make that proof.
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Science proved the Craken does not exist


it proved Unicorns don't exist

it proved the world is not flat

yes science can prove organized religion is wrong and has



there is no evidence that proves any natural cycle requires an independent being to make it operate

science has found no need for a god to exist


imagining one is needed is a false assumption


I can imagine a 1000 lb maggot


that does not mean it actually exists

there is no need in the natural cycle for a 1000 lb maggot


so one doesn't exist


get it
 
evince said:
Science proved the Craken does not exist
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No it hasn't...and no reputable scientist would pretend that it has.


it proved Unicorns don't exist
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No it hasn't...and no reputable scientist would pretend that it has.


it proved the world is not flat
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Yes...it did that. So what?



yes science can prove organized religion is wrong and has
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NO...it cannot.



there is no evidence that proves any natural cycle requires an independent being to make it operate
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That does not prove that one does not exist.

science has found no need for a god to exist
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Science has found no real need for gnats to exist.

But they do.

imagining one is needed is a false assumption
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Imagining that because one is not needed...is false reasoning.


I can imagine a 1000 lb maggot
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Good for you.


that does not mean it actually exists
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We agree there.

there is no need in the natural cycle for a 1000 lb maggot
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Okay.

There is no need for a gnat...but they exist.


so one doesn't exist
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The fact that it is not needed...IS NOT the reason it does not exist.

Think about the faulty logic you are using there.

get it
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You are the one not getting it, Evince. I hope I can help you with that.


(Use "there is no need that we humans know of" in place of "there is no need" in any of my comments...AND in your comments if you desire.)
 
PostmodernProphet said:
agnostic faith = nothing = neqative status = no = agnostic faith.......seems pretty straight forward to me......
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It is not.

Agnosticism is NOT a faith.

Just say, "Agnosticism is not a faith"...and we will be in agreement.

If you are going to continue to try to shoehorn agnosticism (particularly MY agnosticism) into a faith...it is not going to work.
 
Frank Apisa said:
It is not.

Agnosticism is NOT a faith.

Just say, "Agnosticism is not a faith"...and we will be in agreement.

If you are going to continue to try to shoehorn agnosticism (particularly MY agnosticism) into a faith...it is not going to work.
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agnostics are afraid to commit to any belief......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
agnostic faith is a myth.....it is nothing......you are well versed in the knowledge of nothing......simple enough for your simple mind?......
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There is no agnostic faith.

For theists..."faith" is a way of saying, "I'm sticking with my blind guesses (you call them beliefs)...and that's that."

If you cannot see the difference...THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE...between what you are saying about agnosticism...and what I am saying about it...you have got problems.

But they are your problems!
 
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