THE QUESTION OF WHETHER ANY GODS EXIST...

Frank Apisa said:
I do not do "believing."

I understand that you blindly guess that a god is the cause of existence...and that you want to disguise the fact that it is a blind guess by calling it a "belief."

I expect at some point you will suggest that we all should show respect for your blind guess...because you do call it a belief.
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sorry, again I guess we will just have to agree to disagree about just how stupid you actually are.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you didn't ask about my denomination......protestant. reformed, of the Calvinist line......that should be sufficient.......nothing to do with pride, more to do with protection from online sleuths, of which we have a number......on a previous board I had someone track down my office and post information about it on the board.........
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One...thank you for the answer, PP.

Two...sorry about the miscreant who did that. He or she is a jerk-off of massive proportions.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sorry, again I guess we will just have to agree to disagree about just how stupid you actually are.....
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I am not stupid...and it is not necessary to call someone with you disagree "stupid."

But...those kinds of habits are hard to break...even for a person who claims to follow the teachings of Jesus.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Ahhh...another show of your Christianity.

Okay...but perhaps you ought to pay attention to the words spoken by Jesus in the first sentences of Matthew 23:13, 14, 15.
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so close, so close......actually he speaks of me in verse 34
Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so close, so close......actually he speaks of me in verse 34
Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
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Ecclesiastes 1:2 seems more appropriate.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Ecclesiastes 1:2 seems more appropriate.
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here's one for you and USF.....
Ecc 7:8
The end of a matter is better than its beginning

I take for myself....
Whatever exists is far off and most profound—
who can discover it?
25 So I turned my mind to understand,
to investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things
and to understand the stupidity of wickedness
and the madness of folly.
 
iolo said:
Given the vast complexities of the universe(s), the incredible computer needed to look after it all would seem not much to resemble our usual idea of a father.
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That's why we have deities. They're omnipotent, and your idea of a father, isn't.
 
There is a always a personality behind the scene
The above statement is the maxim:

There is a always a personality behind the scene: "The God is a Person Principle" (or "Why Atheistic Philosophers can't deny that there is always a personality behind the scene"):

Q. Who is the personification of the American Dollar Bill?
A. George Washington.

Q. Who is the Living Personification of the American Dollar Bill?
A. Donald Trump.

Q. Who is the personification of the State of New York'?
A. The Governor (Andy Cuomo)

Q. Who is the personification of one of the many regional Counties of New York State?
A. The County Executive.

Q. Who is the personification of one of the many Congressional Districts of New York State?
A. The Congressman/State Representative.

Q. Who is the personification of New York City?
A. The Mayor (Mr. Bill de Blasio).

Q. Who is the personification of one of the many Districts of New York City?
A. The Councilman/Ombudsman.

Q. Who is the personification of any 'Block and Lot' tax-parcel of land?
A. The title barer (The Land owner).

Q. Who is the personification of the any Apartment building?
A. "The Landlord".

Q. Who is the personification of any apartment?
A. The tenant.

Q. Who is the personification of the room with the football and the many toy Trains?
A. One of the male children.

Q. Who is the personification of nursery room?
A. The Baby.

The point of my illustration is:
"Without the presence of the persona, all paraphernalia is without meaning nor purpose for existing"
 
Frank Apisa said:
...cannot be answered using logic, reason, science, or math.

It just cannot be done...or at least, I am asserting that it cannot. I've tried...never come close. I've challenged hundreds of others to give it a shot...none has ever come close.

I am inviting anyone who can prove the assertion wrong...or show substantially that it most likely is wrong...to do so.

To make my assertion even more specific...and more encompassing...I'm going to expand it:

One cannot use logic, reason, science, or math...to substantiate "At least one god exists."

One cannot use logic, reason, science, or math...to substantiate "No gods exist."

One cannot use logic, reason, science, or math...to substantiate "It is more likely that at least one god exists...than that no gods exist."

One cannot use logic, reason, science, or math...to substantiate "It is more likely that no gods exist...than that at least one god exists."

Comments would be appreciated.

Proving me wrong would be even more appreciated.
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reason: Verb
To think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.

Logic and reason support the belief in God. You can try to argue that God doesn't exist. It just can't be done. The simple fact is that we exist. The universe exists. It is a universe of laws and order. If this, then that...It is the basis of all scientific understanding. There is evidence for the existence of God. It's right there. Look at it. It stands up to any amount of reason or logic. God reveals Himself to those who diligently seek Him. If you haven't found Him, then you aren't looking hard enough.
 
its interesting how faith makes some people wonderful good people


and then it makes others hate filled fact adverse jack asses
 
The Ugly Truth said:
reason: Verb
To think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.

Logic and reason support the belief in God. You can try to argue that God doesn't exist. It just can't be done. The simple fact is that we exist. The universe exists. It is a universe of laws and order. If this, then that...It is the basis of all scientific understanding. There is evidence for the existence of God. It's right there. Look at it. It stands up to any amount of reason or logic. God reveals Himself to those who diligently seek Him. If you haven't found Him, then you aren't looking hard enough.
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The very last thing logic and reason do...is to support the belief in God.

A "belief" in God...which is to say, the blind guess that a particular god exists...is nothing more than that...a blind guess.

I do agree with you on one thing: If you diligently seek the god...you will "find" him.

DILIGENTLY seek Zeus...and you will find him. If you don't...the problem is not that Zeus does not exist...it is that you are not being diligent enough.
 
Frank Apisa said:
The very last thing logic and reason do...is to support the belief in God.

A "belief" in God...which is to say, the blind guess that a particular god exists...is nothing more than that...a blind guess.

I do agree with you on one thing: If you diligently seek the god...you will "find" him.

DILIGENTLY seek Zeus...and you will find him. If you don't...the problem is not that Zeus does not exist...it is that you are not being diligent enough.
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A belief in God is based on logic and reason. There is plenty of evidence to support such a belief. For example, the Bible is full of prophecies. There is not a single one that has been proven wrong. There is only one explanation. It is the word of God.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
A belief in God is based on logic and reason.
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No it isn't. In essence, a "belief in god" is a blind guess about the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

Wake up.


There is plenty of evidence to support such a belief.
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There is no need for "evidence" to support a blind guess.

If you are saying there is "evidence" for your god...you are kidding yourself.

For example, the Bible is full of prophecies. There is not a single one that has been proven wrong. There is only one explanation. It is the word of God.
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Give it a break. Some of the prophecies are jokes...and the logical torture theists go through to pretend they have been "fulfilled" is laughable.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
A belief in God is based on logic and reason. There is plenty of evidence to support such a belief. For example, the Bible is full of prophecies. There is not a single one that has been proven wrong. There is only one explanation. It is the word of God.
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Boils down to one word:

FAITH
 
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