THE QUESTION OF WHETHER ANY GODS EXIST...

PostmodernProphet said:
I know.....atheists-R-us websites are a dime a dozen......
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Well...most of those sites are not the home of atheists, PP. The gospel of John IS pretty far out...and even when I was a Christian, a Catholic (I know, some American Christians do not consider Catholics to be Christians)...I had my negative considerations about that book.
 
Frank Apisa said:
The teachings of Jesus, as I see them, seem a LOT closer to the essence of socialism or even communism than to the unfettered capitalism that is the mainstay of the party most often supported by CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES.
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perhaps because you misunderstand Jesus, socialism and capitalism......as I recall he made no mention of the proper method of economic endeavor.......I suspect your error lies in attributing certain moral characteristics to one system or the other......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
perhaps because you misunderstand Jesus, socialism and capitalism......as I recall he made no mention of the proper method of economic endeavor.......I suspect your error lies in attributing certain moral characteristics to one system or the other......
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I think I am not in error.

It is my opinion that anyone who considers the political philosophy of the typical American "Christian" conservative to be closer to the teachings of Jesus than much of the stuff Karl Marx suggested...

...is doing so because of a gross misunderstanding of the teachings and principles of Jesus...and a gross misunderstanding of the tenets of socialism and capitalism.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the ones that deride the gospel of John are, again with the caveat that some may be proponents of some anti-Christian deity......
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I suggest most are not atheists...and I doubt most are proponents of anti-Christian deities.

Mainstream Christians can aver that the gospel of John does more damage to Christianity and the teachings of Jesus...than good.

Some of the thoughts of John...are barbaric.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I think I am not in error.

It is my opinion that anyone who considers the political philosophy of the typical American "Christian" conservative to be closer to the teachings of Jesus than much of the stuff Karl Marx suggested...

...is doing so because of a gross misunderstanding of the teachings and principles of Jesus...and a gross misunderstanding of the tenets of socialism and capitalism.
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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on whether you're a brainless fool......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on whether you're a brainless fool......
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There was no need for that, PP.

Why is there so much of that in this forum?

We can agree to disagree on the question of whether atheists are the reason John is questioned. We can do it like reasonable adults.

How can you claim to be a champion of the teachings of Jesus and treat other human the way you so often do, PP?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
feel free to give an example not pasted from an atheists-R-us website......
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Okay...I give one from the Bible itself. I hope you can agree that the Bible is not an atheists-R-us website.

John 3:16...

..."For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Here your god is saying that he is willing to forgive humans for offending him...but only if they first torture and kill his son!

This is one of the most barbaric concepts ever dreamed up.

I suspect we might not agree on this.

Any chance you can disagree with a bit of class this time?
 
Frank Apisa said:
John 3:16...

..."For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Here your god is saying that he is willing to forgive humans for offending him...but only if they first torture and kill his son!
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your error is in believing that Jesus was not the incarnation of God........he didn't torture and kill a son, he sacrificed himself........is giving your life for others barbarian?.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
because you spread lies about the teachings of Jesus.......how else should I treat you?.....
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You should treat me as Jesus would have treated everybody.

With a bit more dignity and class.

By the way, I have never "spread lies about the teachings of Jesus."

I respect many of the teachings of Jesus. I wish some American conservative Christians did also.

I have mentioned that the gospel of John is not held in especially high regard by religious scholars.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
your error is in believing that Jesus was not the incarnation of God........he didn't torture and kill a son, he sacrificed himself........is giving your life for others barbarian?.......
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The passage claims a son was sacrificed. If there is an error...the error is in the passage.
 
Frank Apisa said:
With a bit more dignity and class.
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actually I recall that he said the disciples should brush the dust off their feet when leaving the town of those who rejected what he taught.......

By the way, I have never "spread lies about the teachings of Jesus."
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you lied about what he taught in the book of John.....

I respect many of the teachings of Jesus.
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and claim others are barbarous......

I have mentioned that the gospel of John is not held in especially high regard by religious scholars.
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now you're admitting it.....
 
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Frank Apisa said:
The passage claims a son was sacrificed. If there is an error...the error is in the passage.
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lol.....no, the error is in ignoring everything else in the Bible so you can pretend Christianity doesn't believe Jesus is God incarnate.......even atheists, if they have any knowledge of theology are aware of the things they refuse to believe.........if you refuse to believe but don't even know what you are refusing to believe you are an idiot.........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lol.....no, the error is in ignoring everything else in the Bible so you can pretend Christianity doesn't believe Jesus is God incarnate.......even atheists, if they have any knowledge of theology are aware of the things they refuse to believe.........if you refuse to believe but don't even know what you are refusing to believe you are an idiot.........
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And you are a Christian.

If being like you is what it means to be a Christian...

...I'd rather be an idiot.

But actually, I am neither. I am, however, a lot closer to acting as Jesus would have us act...than YOU.
 
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