christiefan915
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"Slim margin" was bu$h over Kerry in 2004. Obama's 52.9% vs. McCain's 45.6% was a pleasantly plump degree of difference. 
The Second American Revolution - We The People
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ManU1959
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no i asked a simple question ..... you want to blame bush for everything an look no deeper.....
trust me if i wanted to insult you i would jump right to it.....
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Here ya go..I guess these people also lied..
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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Many of them got their intelligence from the sources that the Bush administration wanted them to have, it was cooked.
Is this list in some Republican handbook somewhere? It was posted on the board we use to inhabit. Saddam's own scientist we lying to him and he was lying to everyone else, but these were fear tactics used by both sides so that they could continue the embargoes against Iraq hoping that the people inside the country would eventually have enough and rebel themselves. The CIA was working inside the country to see if they could bring this about or in one case, try to have Saddam's own people plot ot kill him. Chalabi had an agenda, he wanted to rule Iraq and he was willing to tell the Clinton and Bush administrations anything they wanted to hear.
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He just tried to take over a country, and then there was Enron!
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Cheney the Cherry Picker, Rummy, Condi, Perle, Wolfie and all the others gave Bush the information they wanted him to hear and he wanted to hear to fit his agenda of getting that man that tried to kill his daddy and to complete the job of removing Saddam for which his father got blame and lost the election because he did not enter Baghdad. He was the wiser Bush knowing the cost in American lives and tax dollars would be too high. The younger Bush told it would be a "cake walk" and it wasn't by Clarke or Tenet.
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half or more of that list was before bush took office....see even the jan 5 2001 quote....
but oh no, those people are not liars...only bush is and the dems who are quoted after bush took office of course are nothing more than idiot puppets who quoted bush...wow, bush is the most powerful man ever to live
maineman
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but again... Bush is the ONLY one who started a massive war of choice on the basis of those lies.
and again....Bush could not have done anything without Congressional approval...and having a sufficient number of Democrats agreeing with the war resolution gave him that option....its still irrelevant if it was 5 or 50 Dems voting in agreement, so long as it was enough to pass the bill....\
I happen to find it relevant that some of the biggest and brightest stars in the Dim party agreed to the resolution...
and as a reminder to the open-minded readers of the post......
"IF you believe what you're saying, you CAN'T be accused of lying ... at least by rational, fair-minded people...."
I happen to find it relevant that some of the biggest and brightest stars in the Dim party agreed to the resolution...
and as a reminder to the open-minded readers of the post......
"IF you believe what you're saying, you CAN'T be accused of lying ... at least by rational, fair-minded people...."
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Uh yea....keep telling your self that. Keep telling your self that Republicans aren't doint nothing wrong, that going further and further to the extreme right is the solution to everything. Just don't come crying to us when Republicans cant' get elected as dog catcher.
I'm amazed at the ability of those on the far right to bull shit themselves. How can you say this dispite all the evidence that the American public is fed up and sick to death with tired old incompetent and divisive right wing rhetoric?
Just keep on listening to Rush but don't be surprized when you Dems have a super majority in 2010.
maineman
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and AGAIN... a majority of congressional democrats voted against the resolution... saying that is irrelevant is silly.
and AGAIN... saying "I HAVE NO DOUBT" is substantively different than saying "THERE IS NO DOUBT".
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You can repeat that saying one thing means another as many times as you please, it does not make it so. One settles the pronoun on one person, the other on everybody. The meanings are very different.
So, I agree. "I have no doubt" is very much substantively different than saying "There is no doubt."
maineman
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I agree with you...the meanings are very different. If Bush had said, "I have no doubt that Saddam has amassed stockpiles of WMD's", I would not ever try to make the case that such a statement was a LIE.
I do believe that you are wasting valuable time trying to "get" Bush at the gotcha game, he isn't the President and will not ever be tried for the decisions he made.
It is time now to pay attention to whether the man you voted for lives up to what he has promised you.
I don't need to tell myself anything, Obama is in FACT losing the support of independents.
No matter how often people like you resort to the ridiculous comments like you do about me and what I do, it only proves your ignorance, not mine since: 1. I have never said in this forum or any other that republicans "aren't doint nothing wrong" 2. I am not "far right". And 3. dems lost elections for 12 years while republicans won them. Get over yourself and attempt a look at what at least 50% of Americans are thinking and feeling. Understand that that number is likely top grow if Obama continues to steal American's money in the name of social justice.
I don't listen to Rush, but I have heard some things he has had to say at various times...and I agreed COMPLETELY with everything he had to say.
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There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
such gotcha games are indeed a waste of time...i don't recall any dems standing up and telling bush that saddam did not in fact have any weapons or that they had their doubts. fact is, the admin before bush absolutely believed he had weapons, told the american public he had weapons...so this silliness that only bush lied is nonsensical at best and flat out dishonest at wost....
maineman
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there is a significant difference between stockpiles of WMD's (a clear and immediate danger) and "reinvigorating programs" (not so much).
Bush lied about stockpiles of WMD's and used that LIE, along with the LIE about an ongoing Iraq-AQ operational connection, to "justify" not even letting the weapons inspectors finish the job he had gotten Saddam to acquiece and allow to recommence.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Amen to that and it's our job to hold his feet to the fire if he doesn't.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I don't know what you're on but would you share some with me so I can join you in La-La land? You have no basis in fact for making your statement. Most independents, if having to choose between Obama and a right wing conservative would choose Obama but again, keep telling your self that. Hell I don't want to see a far right wing political party with any real political power. So keep on telling yourself that, it's a tremendous help to us moderates. Like independants us moderates don't want a far right government either.