Trump Admits Collusion

Teflon Don said:
Oh the "if/should" argument our friend Domer loves so much.

Can you refute ANYTHING I posted here? I am not claiming that Hillary committed a crime. What I am saying is that IF you think that Trump committed a crime of colluding with Russia then based on the same facts you should think Hillary did. Her campaign ADMITTED to paying Coie, who paid Fusion GPS who paid Steele who USED RUSSIANS to gather information on Trump. Now lefties have said that what Hillary did is just "normal opposition research" but somehow Trump did something illegal with the Trump Tower meeting. Both cannot be true. Which is true Leshy? Come on. No "if/should" bullshit to try to weasel out. Man up. Grow a set of balls
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Why should I refute it?

What Clinton did or didn't do has absolutely no bearing on what Trump admits to doing
 
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Lesh said:
Why should I refute it?

What Clinton did or didn't do has absolutely no bearing on ehat Trump admits to doing
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I am not saying it does. I am asking you to be consistent.

If you believe that Trump colluded with a foreign power and it appears you do, would you not conclude from the FACTUAL information provided that Hillary Clinton colluded with the same foreign power? It is a simple yes or no answer.

I suspect given your aversion to answering that you are afraid to answer honestly. I understand completely. Being a liberal, you are incapable of being honest. It is an occupational hazard of being a leftist
 
Teflon Don said:
I am not saying it does. I am asking you to be consistent.

If you believe that Trump colluded with a foreign power and it appears you do, would you not conclude from the FACTUAL information provided that Hillary Clinton colluded with the same foreign power? It is a simple yes or no answer.

I suspect given your aversion to answering that you are afraid to answer honestly. I understand completely. Being a liberal, you are incapable of being honest. It is an occupational hazard of being a leftist
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I am not saying it does...yes you are. Why else bring it up?

I am asking you to be consistent. I am being VERY consistent unlike yourself who has claimed first that it is not a crime and then that it is a crime but only if Clinton did it. I have repeatedly stated that if Clinton committed ANY crime she should be prosecuted.
 
Someone explain to me why, if it is otherwise good evidence, why it would matter if it was originally brought to the FBI's attention via the Steele Dossier.
 
Jarod said:
Someone explain to me why, if it is otherwise good evidence, why it would matter if it was originally brought to the FBI's attention via the Steele Dossier.
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This meeting and this admission has nothing whatsoever to do with the Steele Dossier
 
Teflon Don said:
She conspired with Russia to try to WIN her election. What I present is DOCUMENTED fact

1) Hillary Clinton enlisted the services of Perkins Coie
2) Perkins Coie enlisted the services of Fusion GPS
3) Fusion GPS enlisted the services of Christopher Steele

According to the Steele Dossier which according to leftists is the bible of Trump Collusion. These were his sources for said dossier

1) A senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure
2) A former top Russian intelligence officer
3) Several knowledgeable FSB sources
4) A trusted compatriot (there are references to at least 5 of these)
5) A former top level Russian intelligence officer who is still active inside the Kremlin
6) A senior Russian financial official
7) A close associate of Trump
8) Source E (redacted)
9) A female staffer at the Ritz Carlton hotel
10) An ethnic Russian operative connected to the Ritz Carlton hotel
11) A senior Kremlin official
12) A Russian IT specialist with direct knowledge of FSB operations
13) A senior Russian government figure
14) An ethnic Russian who is a close associate of Trump
15) A separate source with direct knowledge of Trump’s investment in Russia
16) A Russian source close to Rosneft President
17) An official close to Presidential Administration Head Sergei Ivanov
18) A Kremlin official close to Sergei IVANOV
19) A trusted associate of a Russian émigré
20) Two well-placed and established Kremlin sources
21) A source close to premier Dmitriy Medvedev
22) A close colleague (of Steele)
23) A Kremlin official involved in US relations
24) A Kremlin insider
25) A Kremlin advisor
26) A well-placed Russian figure
27) An American political figure associated with TRUMP
28) A senior member of the Russian Presidential Administration (PA)
29) A senior Russian MFA official
30) Top level Russian official
31) Two knowledgeable St Petersburg sources
32) A senior Russian leadership figure
33) A Russian Foreign Ministry official
34) Igor Sechin’s close associate


Oh and if you doubt my facts. Here from the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.7e6cf39f7a29

Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained Fusion GPS, a Washington firm, to conduct the research.

After that, Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community, according to those people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Before that agreement, Fusion GPS's research into Trump was funded by an unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.

The Clinton campaign and the DNC, through the law firm, continued to fund Fusion GPS's research through the end of October 2016, days before Election Day.


Now this is where you try to hide behind the "The GOP started it" as if that absolves Hillary Clinton of paying for this through October 2016. Which ironically enough is when Carter Page's FISA warrant was approved. Coincidence?

Now, isn't it odd that the Hillary Clinton campaign would pay $15 million and not want to know what they were getting? You think they didn't know? Really?

What we have here is DOCUMENTED proof of the Hillary Clinton campaign colluding with Russians to impact an American election. That she did it through other sources doesn't matter.

It is like saying, because you hired a lawyer who then hired the search firm who then hired the hit man you aren't guilty of murder.

I will now humbly accept your concession
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According to Trump collusion isn't a crime so Hillary is free and clear. Give it up, dude.
 
Teflon Don said:
I am not saying it does. I am asking you to be consistent.

If you believe that Trump colluded with a foreign power and it appears you do, would you not conclude from the FACTUAL information provided that Hillary Clinton colluded with the same foreign power? It is a simple yes or no answer.

I suspect given your aversion to answering that you are afraid to answer honestly. I understand completely. Being a liberal, you are incapable of being honest. It is an occupational hazard of being a leftist
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The people you need to convince of Hillary's crimes are those who need to bring charges against her...again...and then prove it...or try...again. How come Trump hasn't "locked her up" as he promised he would? Why hasn't anyone tried to lock her up since the election if she is so guilty of...well hell, everything you all can think of at this point?
 
Gotcha68 said:
The people you need to convince of Hillary's crimes are those who need to bring charges against her...again...and then prove it...or try...again. How come Trump hasn't "locked her up" as he promised he would? Why hasn't anyone tried to lock her up since the election if she is so guilty of...well hell, everything you all can think of at this point?
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He never promised to “lock her up”. He promised to get a special counsel to look into the matter.
 
Teflon Don said:
She conspired with Russia to try to WIN her election. What I present is DOCUMENTED fact

1) Hillary Clinton enlisted the services of Perkins Coie
2) Perkins Coie enlisted the services of Fusion GPS
3) Fusion GPS enlisted the services of Christopher Steele

According to the Steele Dossier which according to leftists is the bible of Trump Collusion. These were his sources for said dossier

1) A senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure
2) A former top Russian intelligence officer
3) Several knowledgeable FSB sources
4) A trusted compatriot (there are references to at least 5 of these)
5) A former top level Russian intelligence officer who is still active inside the Kremlin
6) A senior Russian financial official
7) A close associate of Trump
8) Source E (redacted)
9) A female staffer at the Ritz Carlton hotel
10) An ethnic Russian operative connected to the Ritz Carlton hotel
11) A senior Kremlin official
12) A Russian IT specialist with direct knowledge of FSB operations
13) A senior Russian government figure
14) An ethnic Russian who is a close associate of Trump
15) A separate source with direct knowledge of Trump’s investment in Russia
16) A Russian source close to Rosneft President
17) An official close to Presidential Administration Head Sergei Ivanov
18) A Kremlin official close to Sergei IVANOV
19) A trusted associate of a Russian émigré
20) Two well-placed and established Kremlin sources
21) A source close to premier Dmitriy Medvedev
22) A close colleague (of Steele)
23) A Kremlin official involved in US relations
24) A Kremlin insider
25) A Kremlin advisor
26) A well-placed Russian figure
27) An American political figure associated with TRUMP
28) A senior member of the Russian Presidential Administration (PA)
29) A senior Russian MFA official
30) Top level Russian official
31) Two knowledgeable St Petersburg sources
32) A senior Russian leadership figure
33) A Russian Foreign Ministry official
34) Igor Sechin’s close associate


Oh and if you doubt my facts. Here from the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.7e6cf39f7a29

Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained Fusion GPS, a Washington firm, to conduct the research.

After that, Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community, according to those people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Before that agreement, Fusion GPS's research into Trump was funded by an unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.

The Clinton campaign and the DNC, through the law firm, continued to fund Fusion GPS's research through the end of October 2016, days before Election Day.


Now this is where you try to hide behind the "The GOP started it" as if that absolves Hillary Clinton of paying for this through October 2016. Which ironically enough is when Carter Page's FISA warrant was approved. Coincidence?

Now, isn't it odd that the Hillary Clinton campaign would pay $15 million and not want to know what they were getting? You think they didn't know? Really?

What we have here is DOCUMENTED proof of the Hillary Clinton campaign colluding with Russians to impact an American election. That she did it through other sources doesn't matter.

It is like saying, because you hired a lawyer who then hired the search firm who then hired the hit man you aren't guilty of murder.

I will now humbly accept your concession
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Did you forget that Fusion worked for the Repubs on oppo research on Trump? The program was already on its way when Trump won the nomination and then the Repubs quit paying it. Then the DNC picked it up. Or did you deliberately neglect that?
 
Nordberg said:
Did you forget that Fusion worked for the Repubs on oppo research on Trump? The program was already on its way when Trump won the nomination and then the Repubs quit paying it. Then the DNC picked it up. Or did you deliberately neglect that?
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Hiring a foreign national to get oppo research "may" violate election law. But that's not only weak tea but irrelevant to this discussion.

One act does not negate another
 
Nordberg said:
Did you forget that Fusion worked for the Repubs on oppo research on Trump? The program was already on its way when Trump won the nomination and then the Repubs quit paying it. Then the DNC picked it up. Or did you deliberately neglect that?
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So, the Russians were working against before they worked for him lol?
 
Lesh said:
]I am being VERY consistent unlike yourself who has claimed first that it is not a crime and then that it is a crime but only if Clinton did it. I have repeatedly stated that if Clinton committed ANY crime she should be prosecuted.
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you see the difference is, no one denies that Hilliary and the DNC did in fact obtain the Steele dossier in precisely the same method they claim Donnie attempted to obtain information but did not.......
 
Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
Someone explain to me why, if it is otherwise good evidence, why it would matter if it was originally brought to the FBI's attention via the Steele Dossier.
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what idiot thinks its "otherwise good evidence"..........it was all made up bullshit, remember?....
 
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