Trump then, Trump now ... SOS.

yeah and guess what......not Trump, not in prison.....so cope, you stupid lib'rul bitch......go back to your prison fantasies until your next disappointment.....

LOL at someone who plays a bad lawyer on this forum acting as if Trump's namesake corporation and its CFO being found guilty of fraud is a nothing burger just because the CFO took the bullet, and made sure all blame stopped at him.

I love that is what count as a 'win' in TrumpDerp land
 
Lies.


His businesses were on the decline again, repeating the exact same pattern as the past that lead to his string of bankruptcies.

Trump builds debt fueled empires that can do ok for periods but just like a person continually adding to credit card debt, eventually catches up to him.

Trump ran in 2016 not planning to win (that ended up being a surprise) but as a way he hoped would invigorate his brand, help him get more investment (from Russians, etc) and to save his flagging businesses.


Becoming POTUS just allowed him to slow the bleeding as suddenly his properties were being used all over by countries and corporations that had business in the US or interest in manipulating policy who knew enriching Trump personally (and Jarad and Ivanka) was a way to get favourable treatment from the Administration.

Trump started out with around a 200 million investment from his father, he built that into a 4.5 (roughly) billion dollar empire so I'm not seeing how you consider that a failure. He only started losing money overall once he became president. Yes he had many failed business experiments but his profits were still on the rise through all that overall.
 
It just fascinates me as to how our resident Trump chumps would be wailing like banshees if just a fraction of this type of thing were connected to Obama, much less Biden. Yet with Dump, then just pull down their pants, drape themselves over the back of a chair and say "Thank you sir, may I have another", with a dopey smile on their faces.

Yup.

Trump University - guilty of fraud
Trump Charity - guilty of fraud
Trump Org (parent co) - guilty of fraud


But the concern is 'WHAT ABOUT HUNTER' and the Biden crime syndicate.

FLOL at how daft TrumpDerps as step by step the literal crime syndicate, the Trump varied Companies, one by one ALL get convicted of being fraudulent entities and scams.

Next up is Trumps various PAC's (when James and Bragg finish with Trump Org) which Jack Smith is bearing down on and will face fraud closures over misuse of, and fraudulent taking of funds.
 
Trump started out with around a 200 million investment from his father, he built that into a 4.5 (roughly) billion dollar empire so I'm not seeing how you consider that a failure. He only started losing money overall once he became president. Yes he had many failed business experiments but his profits were still on the rise through all that overall.
WRONG.

At best one can argue Trump has, at times, been slightly ahead of where he would have been had he just let the money sit in the S&P but it is have been flat and down at other times.

What is the point then when he has introduced the risk of bankruptcy, multiple fraud convictions and other issues that he would not have had, if he just rolled the money in the S&P?


That is a failed business man, when the only thing substantive you do with the family empire, is introduce massive risk, (fraud and bankruptcy) and yet get no real increase in returns.






 
WRONG.

At best one can argue Trump has, at times, been slightly ahead of where he would have been had he just let the money sit in the S&P but it is have been flat and down at other times.

What is the point then when he has introduced the risk of bankruptcy, multiple fraud convictions and other issues that he would not have had, if he just rolled the money in the S&P?


That is a failed business man, when the only thing substantive you do with the family empire, is introduce massive risk, (fraud and bankruptcy) and yet get no real increase in returns.

There is a great documentary on discovery channel about Trump, made probably about 10 years ago that goes into depth about how he built his empire.

He's had numerous failures but also numerous successes.

Not only in business but he's also a number one best selling author as well as having the number 1 television show for a time.

He's built many projects that came in under budget and ahead of time.

You really can't say that he doesn't know how to turn a profit when that is what he is focusing on.

There are plenty of reasons to hate him but saying he's a failed business man isn't one of them.
 
There is a great documentary on discovery channel about Trump, made probably about 10 years ago that goes into depth about how he built his empire.

He's had numerous failures but also numerous successes.

Not only in business but he's also a number one best selling author as well as having the number 1 television show for a time.

He's built many projects that came in under budget and ahead of time.

You really can't say that he doesn't know how to turn a profit when that is what he is focusing on.

There are plenty of reasons to hate him but saying he's a failed business man isn't one of them.

Is it by the producer of 2000 Mules?

No thanks. I will stick with sources like Forbes and many other main stream ones like that, who have done the deep dive work.

The fact is AT BEST he has only maintained his Fathers fortune while putting it at massive risk of failing many times. No one would want to hand off a family fortune to that kid EVER.

Best selling author and tv show means nothing. Manson 'sells' when packaged for media consumption. People like shit shows and failure stories.

I will need you to 'cite' projects coming in 'under budget', and 'ahead of time', not that, that alone means anything. They can still be failures if over priced (or other factors) to begin with.

And yes i can say he does not know how to turn a profit. AGAIN, if your dad gives you a million dollars and at the end of your life, you have added NOTHING to it more than the S&P would have and yet you put it at constant risk of being totally lost, you are a terrible business man.


Let me put it to you this way.

You have a family fortune.
You can pass it on to a kid to manage the family legacy.
You can see a partial glimpse of the future and KNOW this kid will not make any more money than the S&P but will put the empire at risk of banruptcy and complete loss many times.


Therefore you know you gain NOTHING extra by giving it to the kid, but you might lose it all.

Do you give it to the kid anyway?
 
There is a great documentary on discovery channel about Trump, made probably about 10 years ago that goes into depth about how he built his empire.

He's had numerous failures but also numerous successes.

Not only in business but he's also a number one best selling author as well as having the number 1 television show for a time.

He's built many projects that came in under budget and ahead of time.

You really can't say that he doesn't know how to turn a profit when that is what he is focusing on.

There are plenty of reasons to hate him but saying he's a failed business man isn't one of them.

We're supposed to vote for policy positions, not personalities, if we care about the government that we're going to have.
Let's put that aside for a moment, however, and let's try to figure out how so many conservatives can stomach Donald Trump as a human being.

He acts like an asshole.
He talks like an asshole.
He looks like an asshole.

One would have to crawl out of a cave for the first time
to look at Donald Trump
and not recognize immediately that one is looking
at a very seriously deficient human being...
or perhaps, in fact, a mutant.


If you have reactionary right wing beliefs and are indeed sincere about them,
still,
why Donald Trump?

How are you not embarrassed over being the constituent of a man
who wears the same, ill-fitting navy blue suit every day?

OK, he probably has dozens or them, but they all look the same and they all look like shit.

Have you ever noticed how King Charles' suits fit as though they were made on his body,
which of course, they were?

Wouldn't you prefer that kind of dignity over a crude, pigfucking orangutan being your representative to the world?

I already knew that right wing conservatives have no social values
that are the least bit intellectually or morally sound from my perspective.

Now, however, they don't even have the slightest modicum of class or dignity either.
 
We're supposed to vote for policy positions, not personalities, if we care about the government that we're going to have.
Let's put that aside for a moment, however, and let's try to figure out how so many conservatives can stomach Donald Trump as a human being.

He acts like an asshole.
He talks like an asshole.
He looks like an asshole.

One would have to crawl out of a cave for the first time
to look at Donald Trump
and not recognize immediately that one is looking
at a very seriously deficient human being...
or perhaps, in fact, a mutant.


If you have reactionary right wing beliefs and are indeed sincere about them,
still,
why Donald Trump?

How are you not embarrassed over being the constituent of a man
who wears the same, ill-fitting navy blue suit every day?

OK, he probably has dozens or them, but they all look the same and they all look like shit.

Have you ever noticed how King Charles' suits fit as though they were made on his body,
which of course, they were?

Wouldn't you prefer that kind of dignity over a crude, pigfucking orangutan being your representative to the world?

I already knew that right wing conservatives have no social values
that are the least bit intellectually or morally sound from my perspective.

Now, however, they don't even have the slightest modicum of class or dignity either.

Like you said, it's not about personality it's about policy and Trump was a damn fine president. I don't care how much of an ass he is as that has no affect on me, what I do care about is how his policies directly affect me.

I don't give a crap about image.

Many of our best presidents have been asses, Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, Jefferson.
 
Like you said, it's not about personality it's about policy and Trump was a damn fine president. I don't care how much of an ass he is as that has no affect on me, what I do care about is how his policies directly affect me.

I don't give a crap about image.

Many of our best presidents have been asses, Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, Jefferson.

Here's another indication that America
is comprised of totally incompatible citizens
who want totally different things out of life.

The republic being on its last legs may not be a bad thing after all.
It doesn't work anymore.
 
LOL at someone who plays a bad lawyer on this forum acting as if Trump's namesake corporation and its CFO being found guilty of fraud is a nothing burger just because the CFO took the bullet, and made sure all blame stopped at him.

I love that is what count as a 'win' in TrumpDerp land

if you want to talk about "playing lawyer" you should start with the people who've been claiming Trump will be in prison for the last six years......oh wait, that would be you, wouldn't it......you count making another false accusation a win......
 
Is it by the producer of 2000 Mules?

No thanks. I will stick with sources like Forbes and many other main stream ones like that, who have done the deep dive work.

The fact is AT BEST he has only maintained his Fathers fortune while putting it at massive risk of failing many times. No one would want to hand off a family fortune to that kid EVER.

Best selling author and tv show means nothing. Manson 'sells' when packaged for media consumption. People like shit shows and failure stories.

I will need you to 'cite' projects coming in 'under budget', and 'ahead of time', not that, that alone means anything. They can still be failures if over priced (or other factors) to begin with.

And yes i can say he does not know how to turn a profit. AGAIN, if your dad gives you a million dollars and at the end of your life, you have added NOTHING to it more than the S&P would have and yet you put it at constant risk of being totally lost, you are a terrible business man.


Let me put it to you this way.

You have a family fortune.
You can pass it on to a kid to manage the family legacy.
You can see a partial glimpse of the future and KNOW this kid will not make any more money than the S&P but will put the empire at risk of banruptcy and complete loss many times.


Therefore you know you gain NOTHING extra by giving it to the kid, but you might lose it all.

Do you give it to the kid anyway?
Trump did get a lot of help from Russia and still may, they are currently investigating his media company.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...on-for-money-laundering-linked-to-russia/amp/
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
:palm: No stupid, the chronology of the post from the OP to now shows your responses and how I corrected and deconstructed them.

It's like this, dimwit: you can't revise what is a matter or record in print easily accessed with a click of a mouse. So all your self aggrandizing BS fools only yourself. In order for you to be correct, you'll have to link to the EXACT post that validates your story. But you and I and the reading audience know that you won't, much less can't. You're just another dimwitted, insipidly stubborn MAGA troll ... just like your orange god. Carry on.


lol.....sure, Desh......

:cof1:

translation: The Post Modern Fool loses again! G'night, chuckles.
 
33 years ago Barbara Walters (when she had chops), took the Orange Oaf to task for all economic house of cards, his personal foibles, and his general dishonesty when faced with FACTS. The man's ego has no shame...as most sociopath and con men have. His language is EXACTLY the same hyperbole and BS. Flip the switch to current days, and nothing has changed. THIS is what the MAGA crowd thinks is great and has done great by the country as they face losing their Social Security and medical insurance. Check it out:



DEMOCRATS created the communism called 'Social Security'.
DEMOCRATS will be responsible more than anyone else for destroying it. Communism is unsustainable.

Social security is already destroying itself. OBAMA took away medical insurance.
 
All trump cares about is himself, and making money. He couldn't give a shit about anything else.
Speaking of billions, have you seen his bank accounts?

All you care about is yourself. You can't even make any money. You don't give a shit about anything else. Your avarice of Trumps wealth is all you have.
 
DEMOCRATS created the communism called 'Social Security'.
DEMOCRATS will be responsible more than anyone else for destroying it. Communism is unsustainable.

Social security is already destroying itself. OBAMA took away medical insurance.

WTF does ANY of your ludicrous babble have to do with the content of the video? Trump is the same lying, denying SOS now as he was then...and Walter's nails him good! He's had a long run, but it's time to pay the piper as the state and federal courts close in. GTFU and deal with it.
 
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Why would Putin help a conservative? He's a socialist, like DEMOCRATS.

Putin was former KGB....their stock in trade was playing American businessmen of influence towards policies that would disrupt America. Trump was a god send for him. Your last sentence is just stubborn, willfully ignorant blather.
 
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