Maybe nobody would listen to him whine about how hard it is for him to shake his depression.
Oh, the humanity.
What is an alternative to welfare?
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Maybe nobody would listen to him whine about how hard it is for him to shake his depression.
Oh, the humanity.
So in other words; you decided to enter a field that was reliant on tax payer dollars and when those funds ceased to exist, could not find work. Or you chose NOT to find a job in the private sector unrelated to your field. I am guessing there is a LOT of HR positions that would hire based on your masters education.
Rather ironic for an Obama supporter eh?
I've seen a lot of whining and excuse making for not finding a job; so tell me, did you vote twice for Obama and help elect Jerry Brown and the passel of liberal Democrats now ruining the State of California?
Now that I find to be ironic.
My major was in Finance and Accounting. I have been in Real Estate Development now for over 20 years. I worked for about a year in accounting and although I excelled in it and math in the University, I hated it in real life. I never looked back.
This theory of yours that you have a specific degree and are now locked into that field is a self imposed limitation; there are plenty of companies out there who would be interested in individuals with a Masters in the HR field and management field.
This only means you haven't been there recently. The reality is we've worked very hard to ensure that this isn't the case any longer. We give out cards rather than checks, work hard to take away any point of shame one might feel from being on the public dole, and the current President really did remove much of the push to work.
Give them a couple hours of moving books around in a library to receive the check, or trash pickup, or cleaning up after dogs at the local shelter. We shouldn't pretend that there is nothing that we can require from people we give money to, that it must be "free" to all takers simply because of circumstance. If you are healthy and capable then we should require something more from you than we do now in order to receive the benefits we all believe and understand are necessary.
oh, the truth now, you want people to feel shame who need help.
it is one of the reasons many elder in need go hungry, without medication or heat here in Alaska because they feel shame and are too proud to accept help.
i guess in your world this is good and how it should be, shame the poor.
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only if they demand my private property without compensation. then they should be shamed. otherwise let them live their lives
Another fantastic myth; that elderly people go without medication and heat because the evil Republicans will not permit more Federal theft of citizens wealth.
Dunce.
I want them to urgently want to be the helper rather than the helped.
I'd prefer that attitude to one where they believe they are owed something they never earned. However I don't propose to change the portions that remove the shame, I propose to add one that adds some sense of responsibility and that they understand that it is at least partially earned. Imagine the old folk getting on there knowing they can at least have some ability to show they've earned a bit. Likely you'd have less hungry old people in Alaska if we adopted a system that included a bit of human empathy rather than just sympathy. Compassion is a two-sided coin, just giving people stuff is the weaker half of compassion and it involves no actual empathy.
A lot of words that say nothing Damo. The elderly I see worked hard their whole lives, how could they be any more responsible? Children as well, how are they responsible for poor?
These two groups are the majority on welfare and you are one of the uninformed who believe only lazy people who mooch off the system are on welfare.
Talk about an attitude.
Attitude is saying that they wouldn't feel better contributing and therefore be more likely to participate. If your goal is to help more people you need to look at why they aren't and then address that rather than simply reject it and say others are cruel for addressing it.
My words said exactly what I meant them to, Rana. They were not empty and they carried the weight of responsibility we hold to our fellow humans. To dismiss the elements of empathy that are difficult doesn't make you better, only dismissive. Again, compassion is a two-sided coin, only participating in the "if you give them stuff you are compassionate" is the lazy way out. You must make it available both emotionally and humanely.
You've already stated that they are too "proud" to take it but you simply reject any idea that would make that more palatable to them while pretending it is cruel to work towards what may be a better solution.
Talk about "attitude" indeed. Your goal isn't to get more people help, it is to make them do it per your specifications and their pride be damned. The assumption that compassion ends at the point where you want to force people to take money without regard to their human nature is a poor assumption, and the assumption that others are not compassionate when they recognize that there is a human side of things that is being ignored is just heaping it onto already bad assumptions.
You want to feel "better" because you are willing to give without regard to that reality. Fine, feel better. I want to help people get out of the despondence that got them there to begin with. Give them a true hand up rather than simply force them to suck in a hand out even if they'd prefer to feel they are earning that help in some small way.
They have already contributed, what would you have them contribute Damo? They are elderly and children?
You avoid this and give me a lot of word salad on empathy and compassion like all libertarians, but what is the solution?
How would you have them contribute?
they feel shame because people like you call them takers and moochers, when they aren't.
Again, the motivation is theirs, Rana. The problem you are having is being able to understand that form of what you call "pride" that causes them to reject your forced handout... You say they are "too proud" to take it, therefore we must just give more that they won't take.
Your process is broken and you refuse to recognize it because your goal isn't to help these people, it is to make them take the help under your rules and to tell others you are "better", not because you want to help more, but because you want to "win". To them you say, "You get a handout and if you are "too proud" then so what? Instead we'll talk about you behind your back and reject any idea that may allow you to see past that awful "pride" of yours."
Ungrateful old people not accepting your help. The "pride" isn't on their side.
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Lol, this post is so bizarre, and full of opinion and just flat out wrong about the way I think.
I am still waiting for how you would make the elderly and children feel more responsible and feel less shame about accepting food stamps or Medicaid! What you would require them to do in order to feel like they have earned these programs and not feel a sense of entitlement that would be empathetic and less cruel to them.
It is what you said.
It's already been explained, Rana. It was what began this odd exchange between you and I.
As I said in the preceding post, in your pride you want to condescend, especially to those you prejudged to "disagree", but also to those you are helping. Their "pride" is misguided, not your form of "help". You tell me they are "too proud" to take, but won't accept an idea that actually takes that kind of "pride" into account.
I'm good with that, but nothing in life runs on your sense of self-importance, and compassion given without thought for the human nature of the recipients, and which is therefore justly refused, helps nobody at all. It may help make you think you are "better" than others who take that into consideration and come up with different ideas, such as those espoused by me in this thread, but it doesn't change that those people are still "too proud" and you have no solution other than to tell me that I am "bad" for coming up with an idea that doesn't follow your agenda.
You seem like a rather emotional person. Gosh I hope you don't vote.
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I didn't think it was stupid, I felt bad for the poster. But you tin men wouldn't understand that.
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"I'd prefer that attitude to one where they believe they are owed something they never earned."
^ This is the kind of thinking that drives me stark raving bonkers.