Which Poster Hates Freedom the Most?

Who Hates Freedom?!!?

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Damocles said:
Unless you own the restaurant and liked the customers you attracted. Freedom wasn't enhanced, except in a myopic and childishly selfish view. You find that now that all restaurants are forced to cater to you rather than different clientèle that life is "better" for you therefore you think we are somehow more "free" with restrictions.

It's freaking Newspeak. Restrictions are not "freedom".
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The right to clean air is freedom.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
exactly right. your 'right' to clean air doesn't exist, just like the right to 'feel safe' doesn't exist. once again, you've been proven wrong, mr orwell 'restrictions is freedom'
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What happened to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Nah, I have a right to clean air that supersedes your disgusting habit. :)
 
Southern Man said:
The right to clean air is freedom.
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And it is in plentiful supply in all the other restaurants that did not allow smoking or had smoking areas. Freedom is in allowing those who own the restaurants make the decision, and their patrons to decide whether or not to use their facilities based on that criteria.
 
Southern Man said:
What happened to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Nah, I have a right to clean air that supersedes your disgusting habit. :)
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you fail again. You're dealing with a non-smoker. can't stand it. but it's the right of a property owner to allow it or not. it's the prerogative of the statist to restrict it because they feel their rights are more important.
 
Damocles said:
And it is in plentiful supply in all the other restaurants that did not allow smoking or had smoking areas. Freedom is in allowing those who own the restaurants make the decision, and their patrons to decide whether or not to use their facilities based on that criteria.
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Again, public health issues trump dirty personal desires, and if the owner wants to allow smoking he can by turning it into a private club.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
you fail again. You're dealing with a non-smoker. can't stand it. but it's the right of a property owner to allow it or not. it's the prerogative of the statist to restrict it because they feel their rights are more important.
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Public health is more important than a short term desire. You don't have the right to pee on the floor or light up a cig in the building. Walk outside and do that. :)
 
Southern Man said:
Again, public health issues trump dirty personal desires, and if the owner wants to allow smoking he can by turning it into a private club.
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No, they can't. The laws in some of the states do not allow even private clubs to allow smoking.

The reality is, freedom would allow the restaurant owners to decide. Nobody forces you to go into their restaurants, that too is a form of freedom. I may see your point if there was no option except places that let everybody smoke, but that just isn't the case. Freedom would accommodate everybody, Statism accommodates only the Statist.

Again, restriction is not freedom, even if it is for something you don't like.

BTW - Since it is so important to have clean air, why are you not a member of the church of ALGORE? Your car pollutes far more than any smoker, and cities smell like crap because of it.
 
Southern Man said:
Then those laws are wrong, not the one that we're discussing. *shrug*
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The one we are discussing is also wrong. You can choose to frequent restaurants that do not allow smoking rather than attempt to force all restaurants to fit into your limitations.

This is one of the "essential liberty" things that Franklin was talking about. Everybody can make the choices that would make them most comfortable rather than making everybody do what makes only portions of society comfortable. The tyranny of the majority is still tyranny.
 
Southern Man said:
Public health is more important than a short term desire. You don't have the right to pee on the floor or light up a cig in the building. Walk outside and do that. :)
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I don't understand why you just can't come out and say you don't believe in property rights. everybody knows it now. it's ok to come out of that closet.
 
Southern Man said:
What happened to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Nah, I have a right to clean air that supersedes your disgusting habit. :)
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You absolutely have a right to clean air, or at least to the illusion of clean air.

But you entered a privately owned establishment, and the owner should have the freedom to decide whether his customers are allowed to smoke. And, since you knew they allowed smoking your choice was to enter anyway.



SM, you always harp about personal responsibility. Well here it is. You chose to enter a privately owned business that you knew allowed smoking. Take responsibility for your own choice.

Don't like smoke? Don't go into businesses that allow smoking.
 
Southern Man said:
Then those laws are wrong, not the one that we're discussing. *shrug*
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You are trying to say that privately owned businesses should have to play some game to hav the illusion of freedom?

And this is so you won't have to take personal responsibility for your own decisions?

No, that is not freedom.
 
Damocles said:
The one we are discussing is also wrong. You can choose to frequent restaurants that do not allow smoking rather than attempt to force all restaurants to fit into your limitations.

This is one of the "essential liberty" things that Franklin was talking about. Everybody can make the choices that would make them most comfortable rather than making everybody do what makes only portions of society comfortable. The tyranny of the majority is still tyranny.
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Except this is a nuisance and public health issue. You can't drive a car without a muffler on a public street, and you can't smoke in a public restaurant. :)
 
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