One more time, a government that strikes a balance is not a socialist government. What part of that is difficult for you?
As for the "standard of living" it is measured by standards that are very subjective.
Why does socialism usually fail?
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As for the "standard of living" it is measured by standards that are very subjective.
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We're not socialist. We do have a regard for social policy based on our shared cuiltural values (which we are recovering after 11 years of bastard government), but we ain't socialist.
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Don't be a twat and try to follow the arguments Toppy. Socialism isn't about "government control of industry and property", read a few texts for crying out loud. It's about social ownership of the means of production. Your house is safe. Well, not from lawn beetles but it's safe from seizure by the local commissars.
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Epicurus
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And how exactly does that NOT constitute "government control of industry"?
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Have you and Indi been down the pub? If so, the two of you together don't make sense so one of you hasn't a hope
Maybe so, but in reality its not.
Epicurus
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LoL if you want to bury your head in the sand be my guest, but I thought it was only fair to give you a shot at redeeming yourself.
I'm telling you what the term really means. If you want to create your own definition that contradicts the man who created socialism, go right ahead.
I said they are more socialist than us, not Socialist. They are no more socialist than we are Capitolists.
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We are capitalists. And you clearly have no understanding of political theory.
WTF has size got to do with anything?
They are all bigger than RI.
OK, let me know when France gets to Communist.
Which was my point. You keep saying that "socialism is the destination" because you agree with the balance these people have struck and the subjective measures this survey uses to define happiness.
Socialism isn't the destination. If it was they'd be actual socialist governments, and wouldn't be on this list.
I dont even agree that socialism is the destination. Maybe I said that and if so I clearly was not expressing myself correctly. More socalism than what we, the United States has, is a healthy goal. Pure socialism would not be healthy. As with most things in life, a healthy mix is a good goal.
And the level of the "mix" is where we fundamentally disagree, where all parties disagree, it is what separates us.
I think your subjective list of the "standard of living" is flawed and does not account for the culture and different drive levels especially prevalent in the US culture. When they get those things that create that "standard" Americans are driven to reach even higher because of incentives that come from sources other than government. Often in "happiness" polls America scores lower because of this drive that is a value in our culture not accounted for in those polls and surveys. Driven to reach ever higher is a very good thing.