Auster
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I give you credit, you sidestepped that one. I see you've learned. Gimme a minute and Ill do it for the sake of decency.
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I give you credit, you sidestepped that one. I see you've learned. Gimme a minute and Ill do it for the sake of decency.
You completely ignore the medical and psychiatrist community. I still have not seen your evidence. You have no further interest in discussing this because you argument is all based on opinion, incorrect opinion.
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Again lass, real psychology organizations don't take sides before they know for a fact. The biased. . . trash you show me takes sides, yet the APA, BPS, and several other prominent psychological agencies use words like sense, feel, correlation, possible. All hersay and hogwash to keep liberals feelings like yours in pink oblivion and contented into quietness. Bias is a dime a dozen, and I could probably find 'proof' homosexuality is caused by alien probing if I wanted to.
There are no genes that, if inhereted give you homosexuality. Why? Because it a bloody action, a behavior.
It is hereditary. do you know what that means? it means that there is a predispisition to attraction to the wrong sex. Not even homosexuality, because again homosexuality is a behavior and such behavior performed by mankind is a free choice on his part.
Homosexuality is a behavior. Behavior for humans is a choice. I've described and provided several links, in the two times Ive run down my position on the matter. Unlike you I am not going shotgun links out and hope one sticks.
I am tired of trying to help you understand that just because its a social issue it does not make it exempt from the basics of empirical science. Cripes, even our civilian dictionaries understand this much.
There are no genes that, if inhereted give you homosexuality. Why? Because it a bloody action, a behavior.
It is hereditary. do you know what that means? it means that there is a predispisition to attraction to the wrong sex. Not even homosexuality, because again homosexuality is a behavior and such behavior performed by mankind is a free choice on his part.
Homosexuality is a behavior. Behavior for humans is a choice. I've described and provided several links, in the two times Ive run down my position on the matter. Unlike you I am not going shotgun links out and hope one sticks.
I am tired of trying to help you understand that just because its a social issue it does not make it exempt from the basics of empirical science. Cripes, even our civilian dictionaries understand this much.
DamnYankee
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Howie is a faggot.
Sometimes your astuteness amazes me!
James chapter 1
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
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Scripture is always a nice addition to a discussion of US law and expectations of our government. It shows you have no clue that our nation is not based on one religion's laws.
That says nothing about gays.
Jarod asked a question I answered it.
No Howie I answered a question asked by Jarod, it does IMHO though speak to what causes sin, homosexuality being one of them IMO.
while I realize that this does not mean they wanted a theocracy, it does lend credence to what they had intended our country to be, and a nation based on faith in a higher power, IMO
http://christianity.about.com/od/independenceday/a/foundingfathers.htm
Christian Quotes of the Founding Fathers
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No one can deny that many of the founding fathers of the United States of America were men of deep religious convictions based in the Bible and their Christian faith in Jesus Christ. Of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, nearly half (24) held seminary or Bible school degrees.
These Christian quotes of the founding fathers will give you an overview of their strong moral and spiritual convictions which helped form the foundations of our nation and our government.
George Washington
1st U.S. President
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.
John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.
"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.
"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.
"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever."
--Adams wrote this in a letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776.
Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.
John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.
Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.
"That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;
"But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."
--Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790.
Yet our nations value system, social mores, and even law follows the Ten Commandants of Christianity almost to the letter....but not so rigidly as to be radical or
fundamentalist or extreme.....why try so hard to deny the obvious.....the symbols and quotes and signs of Christianity is woven into the fabric of our country at all levels and
yet the government is not theocratic in nature.....
We have endured in realtive peace and harmony for well over 2 centuries, until this present crop of so called liberals came along with there effort to undo
what others have built over that time.....
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Yeah, that's a bunch of nonsense.
There is no need to go into lengthy rebuttal as you did not offer any argument to support your assertion. We don't follow your ten commandants, Schultzy, or what you meant to say.
Patriot66 just offered up a lot of out of context quotes meant to deceive.
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw, or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting Changes, and I have with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his Divinity. - Benjamin Franklin
It's quite clear that our founders intended for the government to be secular.
Is that to say that all temptation is the same and giving into temptation is giving into temptation... AKA gay sex is just as much a sin as Pre-Marital sex?
DamnYankee
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Try both and see.