Ex green beret shot dead by 4 yr old son

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Justin Thomas 35 was shot dead by his 4 yr old son during a surprise visit to a friend.
 
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Why wasn't the safety on? If you aren't holding the weapon getting ready to shoot, shouldn't the safety be on?

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northern_az/other/pd-man-shot-at-prescott-valley-home-in-extremely-critical-condition

Seriously, it seems like we could have some kind of technical solution that the safety returns to the "on" position when the gun is laid to the side, hasn't been fired in the last 10 seconds, or something.

And the safety should NOT be something a 4 yr old can click off.
 
I'm just tired of blaming every gun accident on the owner. YES, the owner should be more responsible. But we didn't do that with car accidents. We didn't say "oh well, he plowed into the barrier, his passenger died, it's an irresponsible driver" - we did things to prevent "collateral damage" - seat belts, air bags, higher crash standards, child car seats... things that make it less likely that a car accident will kill someone "by accident" . And this worked. Yes, people still die in car crashes, but not as many as used to.
 
Justin Thomas 35 was shot dead by his 4 yr old son during a surprise visit to a friend.


So another "responsible" gun owner is found to be somewhat less than "responsible" after all.

Not a one of the pro-gun advocates want to discuss this.
 
So another "responsible" gun owner is found to be somewhat less than "responsible" after all.

Not a one of the pro-gun advocates want to discuss this.

What would you like to discuss Zappa? That not every gun owner is 100% responsible? Ok, so what would you like to do with that.
 
What would you like to discuss Zappa? That not every gun owner is 100% responsible? Ok, so what would you like to do with that.

Who cares?

Certainly not gun owners who don't want any kind of inconvenience whatsoever to come between them and the purchase of another gun.
 
What would you like to discuss Zappa? That not every gun owner is 100% responsible? Ok, so what would you like to do with that.

It's apparent that "irresponsibility" cuts a wide swath across all demographics of gun owners.

Until 2nd amendment supporters agree to sit down for some meaningful discussion, nothing is going to happen.
 
So another "responsible" gun owner is found to be somewhat less than "responsible" after all.

Not a one of the pro-gun advocates want to discuss this.

so let's see.......we've determined that cops are not responsible gun owners, that now military and ex-military are not responsible gun owners, and apparently you believe that there are no citizens capable of being responsible gun owners, so maybe you'd like to ban all guns?????
 
so let's see.......we've determined that cops are not responsible gun owners, that now military and ex-military are not responsible gun owners, and apparently you believe that there are no citizens capable of being responsible gun owners, so maybe you'd like to ban all guns?????
How old should you be to buy an ak47!
 
so let's see.......we've determined that cops are not responsible gun owners, that now military and ex-military are not responsible gun owners, and apparently you believe that there are no citizens capable of being responsible gun owners, so maybe you'd like to ban all guns?????

We have?

I would?

And here I thought I was commenting on one specific case...
 
so let's see.......we've determined that cops are not responsible gun owners, that now military and ex-military are not responsible gun owners, and apparently you believe that there are no citizens capable of being responsible gun owners, so maybe you'd like to ban all guns?????

Do you have a way to make guns less easy to misuse?
 
no, but if you or any others actually come up with a valid idea, please try it out on law enforcement first instead of exempting them from whatever new rules/regulations/restrictions you decide to try.

Law enforcement officers go through extensive training. Civilians obviously don't.
 
Law enforcement officers go through extensive training. Civilians obviously don't.
extensive training? is that how 6 people in NYC got injured by two cops shooting a shotgun wielding suspect? or how LAPD shot up a truck carrying two women delivering newspapers because they thought is was Dorner? that extensive training?
 
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