Judge declares PA voter ID law is invalid

NOVA said:
NO, you do not.....all you have to do is say you are citizen...you don't have to prove it with documentation.....
If that were true there would be purpose behind a voter ID card.
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Read this link. If you give a driver's license or state ID it already has a photo on it. So why the need for a 2nd photo?

3b Pennsylvania Driver’s License (DL), PennDOT ID # OR Social Security
Number: You must supply a PA Driver’s License Number or PennDOT ID # if
you have one. If you do not have a PA Driver’s License Number or PennDOT
ID #, you must supply the last four digits of your Social Security Number. If you
do not have a Social Security Number, please check the box to the right of 3b.

http://www.dosimages.pa.gov/pdf/OnlineVoterRegFormBlank.pdf
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't give a shit what they do in NJ because I don't live there and it's not my problem, numbskull.

Using your (lack of) logic, why do you care what happens in PA re: photo ID for voters?
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I care because as a dishonest dunce like you knows, judges in courts establish precedence. So what happens in PA and other states courts on this issue definately impact every state.

Why are you so dishonest and disingenuous? Now please explain how requiring someone who votes, to first prove they are who they claim they are prior to voting, is violating anyone's rights?

You do realize this decision is purely Political by a Democrat Jurist and it is not this jurists prerogative to determine what laws are enforceable and which ones are not. This decision will be appealed and overturned.

People elect representatives to write the laws; jurists enforce the laws. The only laws they can overturn are laws that violate the Constitution. Voter ID laws do not violate the intent of the Constitution any more than ID requirements to travel and cash a check.

In addition, it is a political forum for debate; where does "caring" enter into the equation dunce?
 
christiefan915 said:
Read this link. If you give a driver's license or state ID it already has a photo on it. So why the need for a 2nd photo?

3b Pennsylvania Driver’s License (DL), PennDOT ID # OR Social Security
Number: You must supply a PA Driver’s License Number or PennDOT ID # if
you have one. If you do not have a PA Driver’s License Number or PennDOT
ID #, you must supply the last four digits of your Social Security Number. If you
do not have a Social Security Number, please check the box to the right of 3b.

http://www.dosimages.pa.gov/pdf/OnlineVoterRegFormBlank.pdf
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You really think a drivers license proves you're a citizen....or a PennDOT ID # ? Or a Soc. Sec. number ?

Being obtuse again ?
 
Having been a Pennsylvania voter most of my life I have shown a photo ID when I registered to vote. I have again shown it another 6 or 7 times when transferring voter districts. Never have I been to a polling place that did not ask my name and address and have me sign my listing in the voter log which only allowed me to vote once. Could a small amount of people come posing as another registered voter living in the correct district to fraudulently cast a vote, sure it's possible. Would only make a difference in a very small community where everyone knows everyone and would be difficult.
Most of the people I vote with didn't like the head of the states GOP making this comment as to why the voter ID law was really needed

Mike Turzai, the state's House majority leader, made the remark Saturday at the state's Republican State Committee meeting, according to PoliticsPA.com. After listing off a series of GOP legislative accomplishments involving Second Amendment rights and abortion regulations, Turzai mentioned the new voting law, which requires voters to show a photo ID, as one of those GOP victories.

"Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," he said, drawing applause"
 
christiefan915 said:
Posts 20,23 and 26. Your reading comprehension sucks. Try and focus. This is about VOTER ID, not driver ID, not work ID, not school ID.

Too bad the pea brains here can't actually address the judge's decision rather than throw out smoke screens.
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Are you pretending that these are not all the same? How dishonest; how stupid.

You were asked a very simple question which you refuse to answer with any honesty for obvious reasons. Shall we walk you further down this path removing any doubt what a dishonest partisan dunce you can be?
 
NOVA said:
NO, you do not.....all you have to do is say you are citizen...you don't have to prove it with documentation.....
If that were true there would be purpose behind a voter ID card.
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That is bull...here in Texas we can bring in a bill from the utility company with proof of address on it as proof of residency when we register to vote and then we can use the same bill to verify identity at our polling location when we arrive to vote..
 
Sardonic said:
When you register to vote you are required to present proof of residency, citizenship.

In Alaska that can be in several forms, birth certificate being one form and some proof you live in the state.

You are then issued a voter ID card by the state. This is what I use to vote.
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So if you hand over your voter ID card to be used by someone else, that's okay? How about states that don't require a voter ID card as illustrated in the video posted here? Do you think it enhances the integrity of such a system if anyone can walk I with a few pieces of information and fraudulently vote?

We're you okay when, during an election, Democrats tried to steal an election by divining "intent" from hanging chads?

If the citizenry does not have faith in the integrity of the system for voting, do you think it enhances Democracy or erodes it? Why is adding something that can enhance the faith in the integrity of such systems a bad thing? Try to be honest with your answers.
 
NOVA said:
You really think a drivers license proves you're a citizen....or a PennDOT ID # ? Or a Soc. Sec. number ?

Being obtuse again ?
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And a picture does what? How does it prove citizenship?

By your logic the only acceptable ID would be a birth certificate and even that is iffy.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That is bull...here in Texas we can bring in a bill from the utility company with proof of address on it as proof of residency when we register to vote and then we can use the same bill to verify identity at our polling location when we arrive to vote..
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Are you sure? I can't remember proving anything, but that was over 30 years ago.
 
Truth Detector said:
I care because as a dishonest dunce like you knows, judges in courts establish precedence. So what happens in PA and other states courts on this issue definately impact every state.

Why are you so dishonest and disingenuous? Now please explain how requiring someone who votes, to first prove they are who they claim they are prior to voting, is violating anyone's rights?

You do realize this decision is purely Political by a Democrat Jurist and it is not this jurists prerogative to determine what laws are enforceable and which ones are not. This decision will be appealed and overturned.

People elect representatives to write the laws; jurists enforce the laws. The only laws they can overturn are laws that violate the Constitution. Voter ID laws do not violate the intent of the Constitution any more than ID requirements to travel and cash a check.

In addition, it is a political forum for debate; where does "caring" enter into the equation dunce?
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Incredibly stupid moron, other states do have photo IDs for voters because it's a STATE issue. PA has chosen so far not to go that route. Suck on it.
 
Sardonic said:
No, others are legal citizens, residents and they are impeded from voting and that is why the judge ruled against the law. It created a hardship for some voters, the poor and the elderly.

A large segment of the Alaska population doesn't have birth certificates, it would affect them, they don't have photo IDs, they live in remote villages in Alaska, but they are citizens and they have a legal right to vote. Our Constitution states everyone is equal under the law.

It easier for someone like me to drive to the DMV and obtain a photo ID, but it puts a hardship on others and that is not allowed under our laws.
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How is requiring an ID that is very common for doing ANYTHING in this society, or accommodating it for the tiny minority of really old people too stupid to have an ID, impeding someone from voting.

Using dimwitted logic like this, getting to the poll and standing in long lines also are impediments to voting.
 
christiefan915 said:
Not how it works in PA.

Pennsylvania no longer has online registration. You can fill out a paper form (PDF), print it, and mail it in. Or you can take it to the County Board of Elections (address below). Or you can register at a Pennsylvania Department of Transportation photo license center when you obtain or update your driver's license.
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whether its allowed any longer or not is irrelevant anyway....the point is proving your citizenship to allow you to vote....and neither your
registration nor your Pa ID card requires that proof ......
so stop being obtuse.....you're getting schooled and you know it.....
 
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