ethically (and legally) appropriate application of deadly force

mak2 said:
As he should have been. I am just trying to make the point deadly force is very very nuanced and if you are going to be a responsible gun owner you really need to think it through. Of course a kid banging your head on the sidewalk could be a very appropriate use of deadly force, but certainly not always. It matters how you got there.
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Absolutely. Now, if in your hypothetical scenario the perp were to brandish a deadly weapon and demand the $100 bill, then deadly force would be warranted. Of course if he's already got the drop on you, you'd at the very least need to feign compliance and wait for an opportunity to launch a counter ambush.
 
mak2 said:
His judgment was very questionable at best. The dispatcher's advice to stay in the SUV certainly was not legally binding but it was good judgment. Z intentionally put himself in a situation that he had to kill someone that night when there was no reason to. It is just that simple. He was found not guilty, not innocent.
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I've got a good idea of what kind of person you are, now.

You would sit by and watch a crime being committed; just so you could be a good witness when the criminal was finally caught, if he was caught.

Especially since doing anything else might put you in a position where you might have to shoot someone. :good4u:

:facepalm:
 
Which brings up more nuance. Is $100 worth killing a man over? If I thought he would shoot me anyway, unquestionably shoot him, if I thought he would take the money and leave...?
countryboy said:
Absolutely. Now, if in your hypothetical scenario the perp were to brandish a deadly weapon and demand the $100 bill, then deadly force would be warranted. Of course if he's already got the drop on you, you'd at the very least need to feign compliance and wait for an opportunity to launch a counter ambush.
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Truth Detector said:
BUT, the point is this; it isn't baiting when the cars are in a public street. It is when you do it in your own garage. See the difference?
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Then ... why did they call the show 'Bait Car'?

"Bait Car (TV series)"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Bait Car was an American television series that aired on the truTV network. The show depicted police officers targeting criminals with a high-tech bait car, rigged with hidden cameras and radio trackers. Footage is shown from the in car cameras, fixed cameras on police cars and film crews with the police officers. The show holds a TV-14 rating due to strong language, although some of the profanity is bleeped out."
 
Face palm is right.
USFREEDOM911 said:
I've got a good idea of what kind of person you are, now.

You would sit by and watch a crime being committed; just so you could be a good witness when the criminal was finally caught, if he was caught.

Especially since doing anything else might put you in a position where you might have to shoot someone. :good4u:

:facepalm:
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mak2 said:
Which brings up more nuance. Is $100 worth killing a man over? If I thought he would shoot me anyway, unquestionably shoot him, if I thought he would take the money and leave...?
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But you seem to be the one who wanted to advertise that you had the $100.!!
 
mak2 said:
I would not have intentionally put myself in a situation I had to kill someone.
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Wait a minute; isn't that the scenario you spelled out in the thread?

mak2 said:
If everything Z said was true. He did.
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Apparently a jury of his peers, including blacks and women, think you are lacking the facts in the case. So let's see if you can be honest because it is apparent your fat cowardly buddy Fentoine Lum can't be.

Is following someone illegal? Yes or no? Is jumping someone and beating them illegal? Yes or no?
 
mak2 said:
Which brings up more nuance. Is $100 worth killing a man over? If I thought he would shoot me anyway, unquestionably shoot him, if I thought he would take the money and leave...?
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Maybe it's a lesson. An Example. Something for the NEXT crook to think about.
 
It is called entrapment. An arguable police tactic I thing should be illegal. Like a police officer challenging you to a drag race, then arresting you for speeding. Nothing to do with deadly force.
Jack said:
Then ... why did they call the show 'Bait Car'?

"Bait Car (TV series)"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Bait Car was an American television series that aired on the truTV network. The show depicted police officers targeting criminals with a high-tech bait car, rigged with hidden cameras and radio trackers. Footage is shown from the in car cameras, fixed cameras on police cars and film crews with the police officers. The show holds a TV-14 rating due to strong language, although some of the profanity is bleeped out."
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mak2 said:
It is called entrapment. An arguable police tactic I thing should be illegal. Like a police officer challenging you to a drag race, then arresting you for speeding. Nothing to do with deadly force.
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But they're not challenging them or forcing them to steal the car and it's not entrapment.
 
mak2 said:
His judgment was very questionable at best. The dispatcher's advice to stay in the SUV certainly was not legally binding but it was good judgment. Z intentionally put himself in a situation that he had to kill someone that night when there was no reason to. It is just that simple. He was found not guilty, not innocent.
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Is it illegal to follow someone? Yes or no. Does following someone warrant jumping them and beating them MMA style? Yes or no.

I do understand why the whiny liberal thread trolls refuse to answer those questions honestly. It will expose them for the morons they are.
 
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