Is it an effective tool? How out-of-hand is the problem?
Remember that guy in NYC that shot three teenagers when they 'asked' him for $5 while brandishing a screwdriver? A lot of people sided with the Shooter.
ethically (and legally) appropriate application of deadly force
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Is it an effective tool? How out-of-hand is the problem?
Remember that guy in NYC that shot three teenagers when they 'asked' him for $5 while brandishing a screwdriver? A lot of people sided with the Shooter.
countryboy
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Once he threatens you with deadly force, all bets are off. Compliance is not a guarantee of safety. It's not like you're going to give the guy a psych evaluation on the fly. It really has nothing to do with the property at stake at that point. Certainly it's a personal decision, but if it were me, I'd counter ambush at my first opportunity.
I think you don't get much of anything. When are you going to stop trolling your own thread and answer my questions honestly. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt you are serious and you are not helping your case much.
That reminds me, I am still waiting for an answer to how you were in Vietnam in 1962 and what unit you served in.
If the guy was wearing a tee shirt, shorts and slippers, weighted 100 lbs, was obviously not armed and demanded my Rolex, the appropriate response would be to tell him to beat it. If he had a knife, shoot him. A 220lber in very athletic shape, well that might tip the scales toward firing sooner, he might not need a weapon to legitimately put you in fear for your life. . Of course there is that whole spectrum between to consider.
In your scenario, you stated that he would jump you and beat you. It's not about handing over the $100. It's the method that it is being taken from you and the threat to your well being. You don't get out much I am thinking. How's life in that white suburb you hide in?
Simplistic huh? That scenario was used to demonstrate unethical use of deadly force. Glad you caught it. Now try to follow along.
The wallet was in the garage for the specific purpose of baiting someone onto the property for the specific purpose of confronting the perps and shooting them. You still can't comprehend the difference?
I do think this is a legitimate argument. Along the same lines if you shoot him tonight, he wont cause harm to someone else tomorrow night.
countryboy
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Yep, that's about right.
Probably I would agree with you. I think it is something to think about before you are in that situation.
I think there are too many conversations here and each one is a little different. I'll back out of this. I know mak2 is getting hammered from all sides. Within a few minutes this thing has generated a tremendous amount of posts. Mak2 must have hit upon a sensitive subject, which is good.
I know this is a mistake, but here goes. If you follow someone with an intent to cause a confrontation and end up shooting the person you were following you should be charged with and convicted of murder. I never said I was in VN in 62, idiot.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
shooting you for being an idiot would be......
countryboy
Verified User
That is the key. You need to have a plan ahead of time.
You might enjoy a YouTube channel I watch, called Active Self Protection, or, ASP. He uses his acronym to also teach the lessons of, Attitude, Skills, and Plan to cover your ASP.
"I do think this is a legitimate argument" You brought up an interesting 'scenario'. Nice to hear everyones opinion.
You're getting peppered, I'll come back later when things have cooled down.
I will check it out. Thanks.
Yea, I gotta get ready for work in 5 minutes. Have a nice night.
countryboy
Verified User
Great topic. I'm glad we could have a good discussion.
Nice Topic, nice conversation, have fun at work, bye.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
It was perhaps obvious enough to merit overlooking--I give you that.
But Christ, TD, you're such a fucking tool that it's impossible to pass on any shot.