Jamal Khashoggi : Should Trump complete US arms sale to Saudi's?

Althea said:
No matter the heinous social policies of any nation.
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You didn't protest when BJ Clinton gave US weapons technology to Communist China, did you?

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/11/world/clinton-approves-technology-transfer-to-china.html
 
Truth Detector said:
...to our allies. Russians, Chinese; they don't give a shit who it is.
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Hmmm.

The President designates countries and international organizations eligible to participate in FMS. The Department of State approves individual programs on a case-by-case basis. Currently, some 179 countries and international organizations participate in FMS.

International partners may obtain U.S. defense articles and services through direct commercial sales (DCS). Under DCS rules, U.S. companies obtain commercial export licenses from the Department of State, allowing them to negotiate with, and sell directly to, our partners.

As with FMS, DCS are subject to applicable U.S. exports laws and regulations and the approval of the Department of State.

All sales of defense articles and services are subject to similar technology release approvals, retransfer assurances, and congressional review.

http://www.dsca.mil/programs/foreign-military-sales-fms
 
Trump is trying to cover for 13th century barbarism and insulting everyone in the US at the same time.

Fuck Trump.
 
Truth Detector said:
...to our allies. Russians, Chinese; they don't give a shit who it is.
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you can bet your bottom dollar if we suspend arms sales -Russia will be right there to sell them.
They did the same thing when Obama set (unwanted) sanctions on the Egyptian Sisi government..
 
Micawber said:
Trump is trying to cover for 13th century barbarism and insulting everyone in the US at the same time.

Fuck Trump.
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I find it HILARIOUS that Rand Paul is running around saying MbS "must go".
Paul of all people should know it's not our call how other governments constitute themselves.

I guess Paul's non-interventionism only goes so far.
 
kudzu said:
Women rule the roost in Arabia.. They make up 67% of university students, control the money and have more business licenses than men. They also write their own marriage contracts.
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So you're saying S.A isn't under Islamic law?
 
anatta said:
I find it HILARIOUS that Rand Paul is running around saying MbS "must go".
Paul of all people should know it's not our call how other governments constitute themselves.
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Bullshit, we take out governments all the time for not doing the bidding of our Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class, and we militarily support 3/4s of the world's military dictatorships, even when if comes to war crimes.


The alleged torture, dismemberment and killing of Saudi citizen and US permanent resident Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi embassy in Istanbul has triggered justifiable outrage throughout the United States and around the world. But amid the outcry over Khashoggi’s death, many media and public figures still fail to acknowledge the war crimes Saudi Arabia is committing in Yemen with US assistance.

Khashoggi, a columnist for The Washington Post, had written critically about the Saudi government and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. The Post reported that Mohammed had recently attempted to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia in an operation resembling an extrajudicial “rendition,” where a person is forcibly removed from one country and taken to another for interrogation. Bloomberg reported that the United States knew the Saudis planned to seize Khashoggi because US intelligence services had intercepted communications between Saudi officials discussing the plan. According to Turkish sources, participants in Khashoggi’s killing and dismemberment were Saudi operatives.

Six days after Khashoggi’s disappearance, New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman made the astounding claim, “If Jamal has been abducted and murdered by agents of the Saudi government … t would be an unfathomable violation of norms of human decency, worse not in numbers but in principle than even the Yemen war.”





Friedman’s attempt to minimize the enormity of the carnage, including over 6,000 civilian casualties and the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, resulting from three years of war in Yemen is not uncommon. Vicki Divoll, former CIA attorney and instructor at the US Naval Academy, told The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer in 2009, “People are a lot more comfortable with a Predator [drone] strike that kills many people than with a throat-slitting that kills one.”



In fact, Saudi Arabia is committing war crimes in Yemen and the US government is aiding and abetting them.
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U.S. Facilitates Saudi War Crimes in Yemen
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/k...i-war-crimes-in-yemen-were-facilitated-by-us/
 
Althea said:
So you're saying S.A isn't under Islamic law?
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It is to a point.. but most westerners don't know that women have extraordinary rights under Islam.. Far more rights than Western women had up until the 1950s.

Rights of inheritance and child support and property ownership and divorce and child support... Rights to education.. Its different than Judiasm.. If a Jewish woman had NO son, she was simply sh*t out of luck when it came to property.
 
anatta said:
I find it HILARIOUS that Rand Paul is running around saying MbS "must go".
Paul of all people should know it's not our call how other governments constitute themselves.

I guess Paul's non-interventionism only goes so far.
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He's 'intervening' in the policies of the US government .. something he gets paid to do by the way.

Ever heard of sanctions?

Any idea what they are used for?

It's us telling other governments what they should do.
 
kudzu said:
It is to a point.. but most westerners don't know that women have extraordinary rights under Islam.. Far more rights than Western women had up until the 1950s.

Rights of inheritance and child support and property ownership and divorce and child support... Rights to education.. Its different than Judiasm.. If a Jewish woman had NO son, she was simply sh*t out of luck when it came to property.
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How long have western women been able to just drive a car .. or make every decision about how she lives her life by herself?
 
blackascoal said:
He's 'intervening' in the policies of the US government .. something he gets paid to do by the way.

Ever heard of sanctions?

Any idea what they are used for?

It's us telling other governments what they should do.
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Paul isn't asking for sanctions. He's said we can't live with MbS as the Saudi Crown Prince in charge. He's calling for regime change! ROFL.. :palm:

Sanctions never accomplish anything -they just make us feel good, and are usually counter-productive
 
kudzu said:
Do you know how many Jihadi groups are fighting each other in Yemen and attacking KSA? How long have you been following Yemen? Since 1960? 1970?
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If I recall the fact KSA border guards were being regularly shot got KSA into Yemen
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Bullshit, we take out governments all the time for not doing the bidding of our Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class, and we militarily support 3/4s of the world's military dictatorships, even when if comes to war crimes.

U.S. Facilitates Saudi War Crimes in Yemen
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/k...i-war-crimes-in-yemen-were-facilitated-by-us/
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You miss the point. Rand Paul calls himself a non-interventionist.
It's one reason I've always liked him. He didn't want us in Libya or Syria or Iraq or AfPak either.

But now he thinks he can dictate who runs KSA
 
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