2016 was the Last Election for White America

StoneByStone said:
But when it comes to political and cultural issues, I think in terms of America. I'm against reparations because it would be bad for the country. Blacks are for reparations because it's become a "black issue." Same with immigration being a brown issue. I also don't self-segregate myself from the majority race here.
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Reparations are complex. Does the Black slave-holder's family pay up? How about the Union Soldier's family? How about the second-generation immigrant family? It's a nice Bumper Sticker issue. Difficult to actually implement.
I support ZERO immigration. There won't be enough Jobs to go around in the Coming Future.
 
Jack said:
Reparations are complex. Does the Black slave-holder's family pay up? How about the Union Soldier's family? How about the second-generation immigrant family? It's a nice Bumper Sticker issue. Difficult to actually implement.
I support ZERO immigration. There won't be enough Jobs to go around in the Coming Future.
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Yes, but they're not thinking about all that. They're thinking that they're black, so they're in favor of reparations. Does it matter that a lot of slave-holder families were black too? Nope, because it's not about the issue or the complexity. It's about taking a stand as a community.
Same thing with immigration. Third world immigration, whether illegal or legal, hurts the working-class. So shouldn't most minorities be against it? Nope, because they're thinking in terms of their identity.
I hate using the term "Identity Politics" because it's so cringe, but I guess we could call it that. When a society becomes too diverse, everything becomes Identity Politics.
 
Jack said:
You might be right. My view is that the last Election was about the 'Working Class' voting the consequences of Global Capitalism and Technology.
1. The Industrial Manufacturing Base left America and went to Asia. (Meaning 'First World Workers' were replaced with 'Third World Workers')
2. 'Technology' means that ordinary Jobs are being 'automated'. (Like, when you buy gas or groceries, no one needs to be there, you can check yourself out. Think ATMs)

The 'Shareholding Class' (where 'Money' makes money) is doing GREAT. It matters not whether a 'First World Worker', a 'Third World Worker' or 'a Machine', makes the Gizmo. The Shareholding Class is just interested in the Bottom Line (Profit).
The Working Class (doesn't matter upon racial make up) is dependent on WHO makes the Gizmo.
'First World Workers' (American Workers) are losing their livelihood (being able to feed their families) to Machines and Third World Workers.
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I guarantee the average white working-class American wasn't thinking about any of this. They were thinking about how their neighborhoods are becoming too mixed.
Though I do agree that Globalism and unfettered Capitalism did hurt the economy and though many people saw our economic situation as being the result of immigration, that was really only one cause.
 
StoneByStone said:
Yes, but they're not thinking about all that. They're thinking that they're black, so they're in favor of reparations. Does it matter that a lot of slave-holder families were black too? Nope, because it's not about the issue or the complexity. It's about taking a stand as a community.
Same thing with immigration. Third world immigration, whether illegal or legal, hurts the working-class. So shouldn't most minorities be against it? Nope, because they're thinking in terms of their identity.
I hate using the term "Identity Politics" because it's so cringe, but I guess we could call it that. When a society becomes too diverse, everything becomes Identity Politics.
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Some people think that way. I don't think it is monolithic.
 
StoneByStone said:
I guarantee the average white working-class American wasn't thinking about any of this. They were thinking about how their neighborhoods are becoming too mixed.
Though I do agree that Globalism and unfettered Capitalism did hurt the economy and though many people saw our economic situation as being the result of immigration, that was really only one cause.
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We all have our viewpoints.
 
Jack said:
Some people think that way. I don't think it is monolithic.
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I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'm just talking about generalities here. When we have "diversity," most political issues end up having a racial factor. Race and racism becomes a factor in things that shouldn't have anything to do with race, which makes it much harder to bring society to the Left.
 
StoneByStone said:
I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'm just talking about generalities here. When we have "diversity," most political issues end up having a racial factor. Race and racism becomes a factor in things that shouldn't have anything to do with race, which makes it much harder to bring society to the Left.
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I agree. It's easier for 'Blacks' to identify with a person with black skin.
 
StoneByStone said:
Hopefully the Left as a whole will start waking up to that when they see how Globalism hurts their goals.
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I don't believe you are going to be able to stop Global Capitalism. The 'First World' holds most of the Shares in the Corporate World.
Russian and Chinese Stocks trade on the NYSE.
 
Jack said:
I don't believe you are going to be able to stop Global Capitalism. The 'First World' holds most of the Shares in the Corporate World.
Russian and Chinese Stocks trade on the NYSE.
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Having a global economy is alright and, even if it's not, there is no turning back time on that. What I mean is Globalism in the form of "diversity" within a country.
 
StoneByStone said:
Having a global economy is alright and, even if it's not, there is no turning back time on that. What I mean is Globalism in the form of "diversity" within a country.
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Unless you live in an Ethno-State like China, I don't believe you are going to turn that back either. People like the 'exotic' in sexual partners. (just my opinion)
 
Jack said:
Unless you live in an Ethno-State like China, I don't believe you are going to turn that back either. People like the 'exotic' in sexual partners. (just my opinion)
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All we need to do is allow freedom of association and limit immigration to white people. That alone would bring America back to having a strong white majority.
 
StoneByStone said:
The white ones.
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:)
1. Me personally, 'Jack'. I oppose any more immigration because we aren't going to have enough Jobs in the Future for the people who are here NOW.
2. Andrew Yang proposes a 'Freedom Dividend' which is a 'Universal Basic Income'. The UBI will have to be implemented at some point. Why have ADDITIONAL people to send a UBI to?
3. The 'Prevailing View' ... is that we need more 'Breeders' to keep an EXPANDING population that can support the increasingly AGING population.
4. YOUR view may have had some traction at the turn of the century, not THIS century, the last century (1900).
5. I realize I am in the minority here. Capitalism ... relies on an increasing supply of Consumers. So, no one is arguing for 'less Consumers'.
6. My fear, and my prediction, is that we will kill ourselves with an overpopulated Planet.

"The carrying capacity of a biological species in an environment is the maximum population size of the species that the environment can sustain indefinitely, given the food, habitat, water, and other necessities available in the environment. In population biology, carrying capacity is defined as the environment's maximal load,[1] which is different from the concept of population equilibrium. Its effect on population dynamics may be approximated in a logistic model, although this simplification ignores the possibility of overshoot which real systems may exhibit."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity
 
Jack said:
OMG!
You and your London Merchant friends only wanted to come here and make a Profit.

"Virginia Company, in full Virginia Company of London, also called London Company, commercial trading company, chartered by King James I of England in April 1606 with the object of colonizing the eastern coast of North America between latitudes 34° and 41° N. Its shareholders were Londoners, and it was distinguished from the Plymouth Company, which was chartered at the same time and composed largely of men from Plymouth."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Virginia-Company

"Despite increasing prosperity in Virginia over the following years, the company’s role came under attack as internecine disputes among the shareholders grew and as the king himself became offended both by the trend toward popular government in Virginia and by the colony’s efforts to raise tobacco, a “noisome” product of which he disapproved. A petition submitted to the king, calling for an investigation of conditions in the colony, led to a trial before the King’s Bench in May 1624. The court ruled against the Virginia Company, which was then dissolved, with the result that Virginia was transformed into a royal colony."

How many Shares do you own? How much money did you make? Are you STILL collecting Dividends?
And why oh why do you still defend the Church of England when MY PEOPLE were only trying to Purify it???

"No Cross, No Crown is one of the chief works of William Penn, first published in 1669. It was written during Penn's imprisonment in the Tower of London.[1]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Cross,_No_Crown
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Don't be daft: find the companies and sue them if you think you've got a case. Bugger all to do with me!
 
Penderyn said:
Don't be daft: find the companies and sue them if you think you've got a case. Bugger all to do with me!
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"Slave trade
In the 1680s the Company was transporting about 5,000 slaves a year to markets primarily in the Caribbean across the Atlantic. Many were branded with the letters "DY", for its Governor, the Duke of York, who succeeded his brother on the throne in 1685, becoming King James II. Other slaves were branded with the company's initials, RAC, on their chests.[9] Historian William Pettigrew has stated that this company “shipped more enslaved African women, men and children to the Americas than any other single institution during the entire period of the transatlantic slave trade.” and that investors in the company were fully aware of its activities and intended to profit from this exploitation.[10]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_African_Company

According to the Ship's Log ... a Captain Penderyn was in charge.
Now, I didn't want to jump to conclusions, so I discussed this with Havana Moon.
He said it was DEFINITELY you.
 
Jack said:
"Slave trade
In the 1680s the Company was transporting about 5,000 slaves a year to markets primarily in the Caribbean across the Atlantic. Many were branded with the letters "DY", for its Governor, the Duke of York, who succeeded his brother on the throne in 1685, becoming King James II. Other slaves were branded with the company's initials, RAC, on their chests.[9] Historian William Pettigrew has stated that this company “shipped more enslaved African women, men and children to the Americas than any other single institution during the entire period of the transatlantic slave trade.” and that investors in the company were fully aware of its activities and intended to profit from this exploitation.[10]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_African_Company

According to the Ship's Log ... a Captain Penderyn was in charge.
Now, I didn't want to jump to conclusions, so I discussed this with Havana Moon.
He said it was DEFINITELY you.
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I don't believe in your captain Penderyn - we don't have surnames based on places. I know all about slavery, but, fair play, selling slaves was not an action by any British State. Scumbags were answering the demand of scumbags. The UK government did stop it finally too. And I assure you that no-one with any relation to me had anything to do with it, ever.
 
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Jack said:
:)
1. Me personally, 'Jack'. I oppose any more immigration because we aren't going to have enough Jobs in the Future for the people who are here NOW.
2. Andrew Yang proposes a 'Freedom Dividend' which is a 'Universal Basic Income'. The UBI will have to be implemented at some point. Why have ADDITIONAL people to send a UBI to?
3. The 'Prevailing View' ... is that we need more 'Breeders' to keep an EXPANDING population that can support the increasingly AGING population.
4. YOUR view may have had some traction at the turn of the century, not THIS century, the last century (1900).
5. I realize I am in the minority here. Capitalism ... relies on an increasing supply of Consumers. So, no one is arguing for 'less Consumers'.
6. My fear, and my prediction, is that we will kill ourselves with an overpopulated Planet.
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1. More immigrants create more jobs, specifically when those immigrants are high-skilled. We should close the borders to third world immigrants, but not immigrants from first world countries, and we should favor white immigrants like we used to.
2. Because the amount of money in circulation could always be adjusted to reflect the population. However, in today's global economy, that probably wouldn't even be needed.
3. We don't need to expand the population, but right now so few people are having kids that the population is shrinking. Even if we're going to take race out of the question, we either need more breeding or more immigration.
4. But the birthrates are still dropping, especially among white people.
5. Nobody is arguing for that, but that is what's happening.
6. I hear ya, Thanos. But we also need to keep our population at replacement levels.
 
Jack said:
I don't believe you are going to be able to stop Global Capitalism. The 'First World' holds most of the Shares in the Corporate World.
Russian and Chinese Stocks trade on the NYSE.
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Nearly every fucking American corporation does business across the globe and has been for decades. You are talking about erasing globalism that has already happened. It will not change. You have to adapt.
 
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