White Nationalists v Democratic Socialists!

[LV426]

You don't get to decide what it means for everybody else--that is generalization at its worst.

Yet, you're trying to make that determination yourself by dismissing "intimidation" as "offense".

All I'm saying is that if you wave that flag for any reason other than pride in white supremacy, you're erasing the history of that flag.

And you practically shit your pants screaming that I wanted to erase history by tearing them down.

But here you are, saying it's perfectly OK to erase history in order to insincerely celebrate "Southern Pride".

It's funny how you reserve all your outrage for me, but can't muster any for the people erasing the flag's history by pretending it represents something else.

 

[Flash]

Right, which is based on...what?

So a black person can say, "the Confederate Flag intimidates me", and you will ask "how?" and they will say "because it represents slavery and white supremacy, and that it conveys the message that I should go back to where I come from."

So you would say "the Rainbow Flag intimidates me", and I will ask "how?" and you will say nothing because it doesn't and you thought you could score a cheap point to make me look as shitty as you look on this thread.

But Flash...no one can look as shitty as you. That's the one thing you're good at.

Looking shitty is calling for the murder of people and then refusing to explain why that is not intimidation worse than waving a flag.

 

[LV426]

According to LV426, we all get to decide whether we are victims of intimidation. Now he decides we have to articulate it.

Stop being such a baby, Flash, because you can't articulate how the Rainbow Flag intimidates you.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

But not the people waving the Rainbow Flag, though.

So that's why this is false equivalency.

I asked how the Rainbow Flag intimidates someone, and the best you could do was say that some people think homosexuality and pedophilia are the same thing.

Well, OK, but what does that have to do with intimidation?

YOU stated that its not about the flag wavers, it's about those feeling intimidated, right?

Unlike the Confederate Flag, the Rainbow Flag has never been used as a tool to advance oppression, intimidation, or pedophilia.

So you're not really making a strong argument here.

my point is very clear..........that you don't like it is the problem.

If the Confederate Flag isn't about racism, from where do racists get the idea that it represents their values and beliefs?

it's only their opinion, its not fact. that's what i've been trying to tell you about the other flags............but you seem to be stuck on your own incorrect viewpoint

 

[LV426]

And I am intimidated by you calling me mean names. Is that articulated enough? And I am intimidated by you calling for the deaths of others.

Well, I'm not doing so along ethnic or nationality lines, so...suck it up, buttercup.

But glad you brought this up...why did you hack apart that EEOC statute before? What compelled you to do that? Because the part you hacked off was the part where they said it was within the context of ethnic and nationality. You left that part out and you continue to leave it out.

Why?

 

[LV426]

Read carefully. I said those are all the possible things it could mean to some people.

Which is the same thing as saying it represents those things.

So we are right back to the same place we were before; you admitting the flag is a tool of intimidation, and me agreeing with that assessment.

 

[LV426]

It certainly does not represent all those things to most people.

So again, this is you being a narcissist, speaking for other people and patronizing while ya do it.

The truth is you don't really know what anyone thinks because you don't bother to find out. You've made that clear.

A narcissist wouldn't give a shit what other people think, they would only seek to tell those people what they should think or feel.

Like you telling people they aren't intimidated by the flag, just "offended". That is dismissive, patronizing, and narcissistic. It's gaslighting. And it's done for the express purpose of feeding your entitlement to other people's thoughts and perspectives.

Ask someone with a Confederate flag, you might get one or two of those things plus some we have not mentioned.

Well, I don't really give a shit what someone who erases history thinks.

I'm old enough to remember when you said erasing history is fascist.

Yet, here you are defending fascists who erase the history of the Confederate Flag when they claim it represents anything other than the slavery and white supremacy of the Confederacy.

If you care about history at all, which you've said you did but then say you don't, you would be going after every trash person who postures "Southern Pride" over that dumb thing.

BTW - I live in the South and I don't say that flag represents "Southern Pride". So I am an actual Southerner, and you aren't, so I can speak from authority on this subject, and you cannot.

 

[Flash]

Look, you take up arms against the government to intimidate it, then I think the government should call that bluff.

By calling for it to kill people. That is the worst kind of intimidation. By your rules you should be punished for making such statements. You think it is wrong to offend people (offend because it does not constitute intimidation) but think it is ok to call for people to be killed. Hypocritical?

 

[LV426]

Looking shitty is calling for the murder of people and then refusing to explain why that is not intimidation worse than waving a flag.

Flash, if you want to hug Nazis, be my guest...just know that they are going to use you and eventually discard you.

 

[LV426]

YOU stated that its not about the flag wavers, it's about those feeling intimidated, right?

And how does it intimidate you? That's what I asked. You said because some people equate homosexuality with pedophilia, but I don't see the connection to intimidation?

my point is very clear..........that you don't like it is the problem.

Not really, because you didn't articulate how the flag intimidates anyone.

it's only their opinion, its not fact.

Wait - so at no point the Confederate Flag ever represented slavery and white supremacy? Is that what you're saying? Do you really believe that?

 

[Flash]

Well, I don't really give a shit what someone who erases history thinks.

Then you would not want to ban or destroy anything associated with history.

BTW - I live in the South and I don't say that flag represents "Southern Pride". So I am an actual Southerner, and you aren't, so I can speak from authority on this subject, and you cannot.

Where do you think I live?

 

[LV426]

By calling for it to kill people. That is the worst kind of intimidation. By your rules you should be punished for making such statements. You think it is wrong to offend people (offend because it does not constitute intimidation) but think it is ok to call for people to be killed. Hypocritical?

Well, you take up arms against the government and if the government calls that bluff, what is the inevitable outcome?

 

[LV426]

Then you would not want to ban or destroy anything associated with history.

How is the flag associated with history? Oh right, it represents slavery, white supremacy and sending people back to where they came from...three things you said the flag represents. It also serves as a tool of oppression and intimidation, as all the racists erected that flag and monuments to people who fought for that flag, all across the country right after black people were freed and started voting. Those shitty monuments and such were built all the way up through the 1980's...so it's not like this is ancient history. It happened in our lifetimes.

So OK...I would consider those things intimidation, wouldn't you? So banning the flag effectively bans that intimidation, right? So what's the problem?

Where do you think I live?

Not in the South like me. You don't really understand or know "Southern Pride" because you don't live here.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

And how does it intimidate you? That's what I asked. You said because some people equate homosexuality with pedophilia, but I don't see the connection to intimidation?

Not really, because you didn't articulate how the flag intimidates anyone.

Wait - so at no point the Confederate Flag ever represented slavery and white supremacy? Is that what you're saying? Do you really believe that?

are you incapable of understanding concepts like domer???? please tell me you are more intelligent than that retarded fuckstick.

 

[Flash]

Flash, if you want to hug Nazis, be my guest...just know that they are going to use you and eventually discard you.

You always avoid questions which prove your hypocrisy. Why isn't it intimidation for calling for the government to kill many of its citizens or saying

"No Conservative can be allowed a voice after this shit" or that "They must be marginalized, and we must have a second Reconstruction to eliminate their political power."

All these things are much more intimidating than waving a flag, so that makes you a hypocrite for pretending you care about others while calling for their death or marginalization.

 

[LV426]

are you incapable of understanding concepts like domer???? please tell me you are more intelligent than that retarded fuckstick.

Then by all means, please explain the connection between what you allege the Rainbow Flag means, and intimidation.

 

[LV426]

You always avoid questions which prove your hypocrisy. Why isn't it intimidation for calling for the government to kill many of its citizens or saying

Wait - many of its citizens? What are you talking about? Nazis oppose our government, Flash. That's why they're Nazis.

"No Conservative can be allowed a voice after this shit" or that "They must be marginalized, and we must have a second Reconstruction to eliminate their political power."

Wait - that's not me saying they should be killed...that's me saying they shouldn't have a voice and should be marginalized. And after Trump, how could you not agree?

All these things are much more intimidating than waving a flag

I never said Conservatives should be killed, I merely said they shouldn't have a voice or presence in our politics and that's because of the damage they've wrought.

That's wholly different than me saying they should be killed or sent back to from where they came.

Also, you are doing that thing again where you try to speak for other people like a narcissist. Like you somehow know what people think and feel even though you refuse to actually talk to anyone yourself.

 

[Flash]

So OK...I would consider those things intimidation, wouldn't you? So banning the flag effectively bans that intimidation, right? So what's the problem?

Flags and monuments cannot intimidate anyone unless they can talk and make threats.

Not in the South like me. You don't really understand or know "Southern Pride" because you don't live here.

I'm much further South than you are.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Then by all means, please explain the connection between what you allege the Rainbow Flag means, and intimidation.

we've already established that intimidation is felt by those who view it........it does not have to be me...........others can feel intimidated, can they not?

 

[Flash]

Wait - many of its citizens? What are you talking about? Nazis oppose our government, Flash. That's why they're Nazis.

And that is not intimidation? You cannot kill someone because they "oppose our government." What a fascist.

Wait - that's not me saying they should be killed...that's me saying they shouldn't have a voice and should be marginalized. And after Trump, how could you not agree?

That is intimidation to want to take away somebody's political rights. Worse intimidation than waving a flag.

What a hypocrite.