Right, OK. And we know that is a form of intimidation when it comes to the workplace.
So my question to you is; why is it intimidation in the workplace, but not elsewhere?
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Right, OK. And we know that is a form of intimidation when it comes to the workplace.
So my question to you is; why is it intimidation in the workplace, but not elsewhere?
But you keep forgetting the two main points:
1. The legal definition of intimidation
2. The 1st Amendment prohibits banning any kind of flag or symbol that is free expression.
Right, but you're not free to express intimidation.
The EEOC says that phrase -that you said the flag conveys- is intimidation in the workplace.
So my question to you is; why is it intimidation in the workplace, but not elsewhere?
only in your mindset. To many others down here it means southern pride
Not in my mindset, it's literally something Flash says.
So if the flag doesn't represent slavery and white supremacy, why do white supremacists wave it about?
but a huge misnomer about gays is that they are pedophiles
Wait - are you saying gay people are or aren't pedophiles?
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Wait - are you saying gay people are or aren't pedophiles?
i'm saying that there are some people out there who believe ALL gays are pedophiles
i'm saying that there are some people out there who believe ALL gays are pedophiles
OK, but what does that have to do with gay people waving a rainbow flag, which has never been used as a tool to intimidate anyone?
Because there is a long, documented history of the Confederate Flag being used to do just that.
So...
You said one of the messages that flag conveys is "Go back to Africa".
Well, according to the EEOC statutes, that specific phrase is intimidation and unlawful.
So...I'm curious what criminal statute you're looking at when the civil EEOC statute makes it very clear that the messages conveyed by the flag you love so much are unlawful and illegal.
As you know, the EEOC applies to workplace relationships. It also says nothing about flags, so trying to claim a flag means "go back to" is a huge stretch. The person that brought that flag might not be conveying that message at all.
You are a big phony for claiming the EEOC makes something intimidation when you know it is only applies to fellow employees. The more we argue the more you go off the deep end to find some support.
Just state your opinon--you don't like Confederate symbols outside of museums because you think they are intimidating to blacks. You know it is not legal intimidation and you know the 1st Amendment prohibits any limitations of these symbols, but that is the way you feel. Don't try to justify your opinions based on convoluted and totally inaccurate legal reasoning.
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OK, but what does that have to do with gay people waving a rainbow flag, which has never been used as a tool to intimidate anyone?
Because there is a long, documented history of the Confederate Flag being used to do just that.
because some people believe that ALL gays are pedophiles, they might also believe that anyone waving a rainbow flag supports pedophilia.......the same way that some people believe a confederate flag is all about racism, thus anyone waving a confederate flag supports racism............are you seeing the misnomer yet?
OK, but what does that have to do with gay people waving a rainbow flag, which has never been used as a tool to intimidate anyone?
You told us before each person gets to determine if he is the victim of intimidation. If a person believes the rainbow flag makes him a victim of intimidation, then he has been intimidated [according to LV426 jurisprudence].
As you know, the EEOC applies to workplace relationships.
OK, so...IF that phrase -that you said is conveyed by the Confederate Flag- is intimidating in a workplace, or in a public place, why wouldn't it be intimidating anywhere else?
It also says nothing about flags,
It says nothing about symbols either, but you can sure as shit bet that a swastika would be considered a form of intimidation in the workplace.
. It also says nothing about flags, so trying to claim a flag means "go back to" is a huge stretch
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SAID THAT'S WHAT THE FLAG MEANS, FLASH!
You are a big phony for claiming the EEOC makes something intimidation when you know it is only applies to fellow employees.
So if it counts as intimidation in the workplace, and in public places, why wouldn't it count anywhere else?
And those flags and monuments are in public places, BTW.
The more we argue the more you go off the deep end to find some support.
So you again patronize and dismiss because of how inconvenient it is for your argument. You latch onto the weak defense of "well, they didn't explicit say FLAGS did they?" Well, no, but they didn't explicitly say swastikas either, but you can pretty much assume that would constitute intimidation and harassment.
And you said yourself that flag conveys the "Go back to Africa" message. You said it at least twice.
My question is, why is it intimidation in the workplace and in public, but not elsewhere?
Can people only be intimidated in public or in the workplace?
Just state your opinon--you don't like Confederate symbols outside of museums because you think they are intimidating to blacks.
I don't think they're intimidating to black people, I KNOW THEY ARE BECAUSE I TALK TO BLACK PEOPLE.
You even have a black person on this very thread literally saying that, and you ignore and dismiss it.
You're a narcissist.
You know it is not legal intimidation
But it is intimidation, as you said yourself when you said the message conveyed is "go back to where you came from", which the EEOC says is intimidation in a workplace and in public.
Don't try to justify your opinions based on convoluted and totally inaccurate legal reasoning.
Ironic because that's exactly what you're doing to dismiss the inherent cognitive dissonance in what you've been saying here all afternoon.
because some people believe that ALL gays are pedophiles?
But not the people waving the Rainbow Flag, though.
So that's why this is false equivalency.
I asked how the Rainbow Flag intimidates someone, and the best you could do was say that some people think homosexuality and pedophilia are the same thing.
Well, OK, but what does that have to do with intimidation?
they might also believe that anyone waving a rainbow flag supports pedophilia
Unlike the Confederate Flag, the Rainbow Flag has never been used as a tool to advance oppression, intimidation, or pedophilia.
So you're not really making a strong argument here.
.the same way that some people believe a confederate flag is all about racism
If the Confederate Flag isn't about racism, from where do racists get the idea that it represents their values and beliefs?
You told us before each person gets to determine if he is the victim of intimidation. If a person believes the rainbow flag makes him a victim of intimidation, then he has been intimidated [according to LV426 jurisprudence].
But how? How does it do that? That's what I've been asking.
We know how it does it with the Confederate Flag...you said as much yourself.
So how does the Rainbow Flag intimidate anyone when it has no history of that?
If a person believes the rainbow flag makes him a victim of intimidation, then he has been intimidated [according to LV426 jurisprudence].
But we know exactly why and how the Confederate Flag intimidates someone. You said so yourself, dumbass!
None of you have been able to articulate how the Rainbow Flag does that.
Not in my mindset, it's literally something Flash says.
So if the flag doesn't represent slavery and white supremacy, why do white supremacists wave it about?
Like your version of intimidation, we all get to decide what the flag represents. Polls show about 70% think it represents Southern pride. It may represent many different things to different people. You don't get to decide what it means for everybody else--that is generalization at its worst. You've never heard me say anything sympathetic to the Congederate flag, I have only defended people's freedom of expression.
You told us before each person gets to determine if he is the victim of intimidation.
Right, which is based on...what?
So a black person can say, "the Confederate Flag intimidates me", and you will ask "how?" and they will say "because it represents slavery and white supremacy, and that it conveys the message that I should go back to where I come from."
So you would say "the Rainbow Flag intimidates me", and I will ask "how?" and you will say nothing because it doesn't and you thought you could score a cheap point to make me look as shitty as you look on this thread.
But Flash...no one can look as shitty as you. That's the one thing you're good at.
Like your version of intimidation, we all get to decide what the flag represents.
You've already decided that, though...you said it represents slavery, white supremacy, and "go back to where you came from".
Unless you're going to now say you were lying about all that earlier in this thread...?
Polls show about 70% think it represents Southern pride.
And what does "Southern Pride" mean?
But we know exactly why and how the Confederate Flag intimidates someone. You said so yourself, dumbass!
None of you have been able to articulate how the Rainbow Flag does that.
According to LV426, we all get to decide whether we are victims of intimidation. Now he decides we have to articulate it.
And I am intimidated by you calling me mean names. Is that articulated enough? And I am intimidated by you calling for the deaths of others.
It may represent many different things to different people
Only if you erase the history of it, which you've said you are completely opposed to doing.
So square that circle for me, Flash...how can you say on the one hand that banning the flag would "erase history", but then say on the other hand it's perfectly OK to erase that history in order to make it mean something different, insincerely?
So shouldn't you be SCREAMING YOUR BLOODY HEAD OFF at anyone who waves the flag under the guise of "Southern Pride" since doing so would erase the flag's history that you said was so important we couldn't take them down?
You've already decided that, though...you said it represents slavery, white supremacy, and "go back to where you came from".
Unless you're going to now say you were lying about all that earlier in this thread...?
Read carefully. I said those are all the possible things it could mean to some people. It certainly does not represent all those things to most people. Ask someone with a Confederate flag, you might get one or two of those things plus some we have not mentioned.