My FB post on the war

[LV426]

corruption in Ukraine is endemic as far back as I can recall

Nope, it's traced back to Russian influence, as always.

Zelensky proved Ukraine wasn't corrupt when he didn't go along with your extortion.

You're the corrupt one because you tried to extort Ukraine into manufacturing lies about Joe Biden because you couldn't win the election based on the merits of your policies.

So you tried to outsource that shit to Ukraine, and they told you to fuck off.

So now you say Ukraine is corrupt because they didn't go along with your corrupt scheme in 2019.

 

[Cypress]

I dont have any problems with this -including forward staging of NATO as a defensive measure
my problem (and the world's) is NATO expansion. it was needless and aggressive and provoking
and it broke a promise - treaty or not

Zelensky however is far from democratic - how he got in and what he's done to opposition since
Locking up Poroshenko and closing down opposition TV and newspapers
-as well as backing off of Minsk Agreement while agitating for NATO

Six reasons Russia is at odds with Ukraine’s Zelensky
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/05/russia-putin-ukraine-zelensky/

Putin said more than two decades ago that the greatest tragedy of the late 20th century was the dissolution of the USSR.

He has always had a messianic vision of reuniting what he considers the core areas of the old Russian empire, specifically the East Slavs.

NATO expansion is not the primary grievance driving him.

He has had this vision of reconstituting the old Russian empire since the 1990s. That was before NATO expansion.
I think he decided he had reached his crossing the Rubicon moment.


As for democracy > anyone who supported or made excuses for the Jan 6 insurrection, or for Trump's Kraken lies, has no standing to judge how pure Ukranian democracy is.

 

[LV426]

living in your head rent free is the phrase

Nah, it's more about everyone else on JPP reading that over and over, until it is repeated so many times that it becomes a natural part of your JPP character here; people know not to expect anything more than Putin propaganda, and they've already started dismissing it because of the effort I put in here to expose you as the propagandist you are.

 

[LV426]

Putin said more than two decades ago that the greatest tragedy of the late 20th century was the dissolution of the USSR.

He has always had a messianic vision of reuniting what he considers the core areas of the old Russian empire, specifically the East Slavs.

NATO expansion is not the primary grievance driving him.

He has had this vision of reconstituting the old Russian empire since the 1990s. I think he decided he had reached his crossing the Rubicon moment.


As for democracy, anyone who supported or made excuses for the Jan 6 insurrection, or for Trump's Kraken lies, has no standing to judge how pure Ukranian democracy is.

Exactly, and Anatta was also one of those who was defending Trump trying to corruptly extort Ukraine.

The fact that Zelensky didn't go along with the grift proves Ukraine isn't too corrupt to join NATO; quite the opposite. Zelensky dismissing Trump's corrupt request solidified him as a man of integrity...which is something Anatta knows NOTHING about.

 

[Cypress]

Exactly, and Anatta was also one of those who was defending Trump trying to corruptly extort Ukraine.

The fact that Zelensky didn't go along with the grift proves Ukraine isn't too corrupt to join NATO; quite the opposite. Zelensky dismissing Trump's corrupt request solidified him as a man of integrity...which is something Anatta knows NOTHING about.

I agree, it speaks well of Zelensky that he didn't cave to Trump's craven attempts at extortion.

I think we should all learn to take Putin at his word: he always wanted to "reunite" all the East Slavs into a quasi-tsarist greater Russia, irrespective of what NATO was doing -> and at 70 years old, his time is running out to realize his messianic vision and greatest legacy.


US intelligence assessments over the past three months have been dead to rights about what Putin was up to.

 

[Althea]

You're the one who bends over for Putin, Ms. Moon. I'm just an observer.

A female?

 

[Althea]

You're a fucking Russian propagandist.

Russia has no claim to Ukraine...Ukraine is a sovereign country.

If Ukraine is "historically" a part of Russia, then Texas is historically a part of Mexico.

I say that all the time when people complain about illegals.

The fact that he cites NATO should be an embarrassment.

That would take a modicum of sense.

 

[Althea]

Exactly my point. LOL

Sure, because all smart people constantly follow people they consider to be "consistently stupid".

Hmmm. Delicate balance.

He follows you AND trump.

 

[Althea]

Putin did, though, and you've spent the last two years trying to convince everyone that Donbass and Crimea are also part of Russia, which they're not.




Putin blaming ambiguous NATO expansion for invading Ukraine has serious "look what you made me do" vibes.

That's why even the Swiss are now turning against Russia.

The MAGA morons bought it.

Bigly.

 

[Althea]

Yes it is.




Zelensky was elected in a landslide by his people because he was pro-West.

Russia could always ask to join NATO...why won't they?

Better yet.

Stop making NATO necessary in the region

 

[Althea]

^^ Sounds like the perspective from Pravda and Kremlin state media.

No Russian citizens I correspond with write like this, or blame NATO for forcing Putin to invade.

There are undoubtedly people in Russia who believe the Kremlin propaganda about Nazis being in control of Ukraine. But I think a long occupation, body bags of young Russian men, and angry mamas and babushkas are going to diminish any enthusiasm for "denazification"

Say nothing of the oligarchs losing 90% of their worth.

 

[LV426]

I agree, it speaks well of Zelensky that he didn't cave to Trump's craven attempts at extortion.

I think we should all learn to take Putin at his word: he always wanted to "reunite" all the East Slavs into a quasi-tsarist greater Russia, irrespective of what NATO was doing -> and at 70 years old, his time is running out to realize his messianic vision and greatest legacy.


US intelligence assessments over the past three months have been dead to rights about what Putin was up to.

If Putin is such a student of history, perhaps he could tell everyone what happened to the last Tsar?

 

[anatta]

Putin said more than two decades ago that the greatest tragedy of the late 20th century was the dissolution of the USSR.

He has always had a messianic vision of reuniting what he considers the core areas of the old Russian empire, specifically the East Slavs.

NATO expansion is not the primary grievance driving him.

He has had this vision of reconstituting the old Russian empire since the 1990s. That was before NATO expansion.
I think he decided he had reached his crossing the Rubicon moment.


As for democracy > anyone who supported or made excuses for the Jan 6 insurrection, or for Trump's Kraken lies, has no standing to judge how pure Ukranian democracy is.

ROFL. so why does he wait since 2005 if his vision was Messianic?
Jews waited for the Messiah 6000 years -but Putin is getting up there.
why would he wait this long just for his "vision"???

I thought you would have enough honesty to acknowledge NATO expansion coupled with uber-militarization
along with Zelensky screaming for NATO membership since he took power is the proximate cause.
Im sure you understand "proximate cause" so I wont explain

I'm not surprised you dragged in partisanship . or personal character. both are inanities
It aint me that makes judgement on NATO's requirement - i even posted a response to JAROD
that I didn't write, but you cant help the cheap partisanship dripping from your every post.

Im used to it, and put up with it because you do have a knowledge beyond "Biden isn't tough enough"
or "Trump is Putin's beach" crap noise. But post like this feeding the troll make me wonder if you are worth the effort

 

[LV426]

ROFL. so why does he wait since 2005 if his vision was Messianic?
Jews waited for the Messiah 6000 years -but Putin is getting up there.
why would he wait this long just for his "vision"???

I thought you would have enough honesty to acknowledge NATO expansion coupled with uber-militarization
along with Zelensky screaming for NATO membership since he took power is the proximate cause.
Im sure you understand "proximate cause" so I wont explain

I'm not surprised you dragged in partisanship . or personal character. both are inanities
It aint me that makes judgement on NATO's requirement - i even posted a response to JAROD
that I didn't write, but you cant help the cheap partisanship dripping from your every post.

Im used to it, and put up with it because you do have a knowledge beyond "Biden isn't tough enough"
or "Trump is Putin's beach" crap noise. But post like this feeding the troll make me wonder if you are worth the effort

Zelensky proved Ukraine was not too corrupt to join NATO when he refused to go along with yours and Trump's corrupt extortion scheme.

 

[Althea]

Putin screwed himself and his country with this invasion. No matter what Russia does now in Ukraine, it's going to blowback negatively...

If Russia succeeds in conquering Ukraine, they'll need to hold it through any resistance, which will trigger PTSD of the disastrous Afghanistan invasion and occupation.

If Russia doesn't succeed in conquering Ukraine, it will have to retreat with its tail between its legs back into Russia...that will also show how weak of a leader Putin is, which will only embolden his opposition and Navalny.

If Russia assassinates Yelensky, they create a martyr and galvanize not only the Ukrainian resistance, but global resistance because targeting the leaders of nations is a big no-no in international warfare. It also opens the door to terror attacks and assassinations inside Russia...so it won't be the opposition being tossed out of windows...it'll be Putin's allies walking around with big targets on their backs. And Russians don't really care about collateral damage.

If Russia doesn't assassinate Yelensky, it has to contend with a media-savvy leader who undermines Russian control merely by his presence.

By inviting Belarus into this, Russia is showing its very, very weak hand...the Belorussians aren't going to swing this war of occupation to Russia.

Russia also weakens its leverage over Crimea and Donbass if it's unable to occupy Kyiv and Kharkiv...after all, if Russia can't manage to capture either city, it certainly can't maintain its current occupation.

I know that NATO will sit on the sidelines until any of its members is 'attacked'. I saw a 3 mile long Russian convoy making its way to Kyiv. Tanks, armor, etc.. I'm curious as to why it cannot be taken out by a few key strikes?

I'm thinking that the moment there is a cyber attack on any NATO member, it's 'game on'?

 

[LV426]

I know that NATO will sit on the sidelines until any of its members is 'attacked'. I saw a 3 mile long Russian convoy making its way to Kyiv. Tanks, armor, etc.. I'm curious as to why it cannot be taken out by a few key strikes?

I'm thinking that the moment there is a cyber attack on any NATO member, it's 'game on'?

Yeah, same. I mean, Russia totally attacked us in 2016.

 

[Althea]

It's too late , but do you think Ukraine and the U.S.'s policy would have been a little different had they realized Putin was a serious threat?

Manafort had Putin's players embedded in Ukraine's govt. until Yanukovych got ousted.

The serious threat was fairly recent. It was dormant when trump was doing Putin's bidding, but he had to ramp up his own efforts now that trump is gone.

 

[Cypress]

If Putin is such a student of history, perhaps he could tell everyone what happened to the last Tsar?

Good point. Shot and bayonetted to death in the basement of house.

Nicholas II was a stupid, weak, and incompetent Tsar.

There is a school of thought that a more dynamic tsar could have ushered in a constitutional monarchy, and forestalled the Bolshevik revolution.

Putin probably sees himself more as an Alexander I or a Catherine II

 

[Althea]

Ukraine is not a defacto NATO state in the way that it matters in this situation... If it were we would have boots on the ground defending them as it required of NATO states.

If it were, a few key drone strikes would have ended this nonsense already

 

[Althea]

Generally, all we have out of Russia is anecdotal. There is no reliable polling I trust. I only correspond with educated, urban Russians. Undoubtedly Russia has it's own version of slack jawed MAGA rightwing nationalists, who have bought into Kremlin propaganda about Nazis governing Ukraine.


Given Putin's unjustified unprovoked, and unprecedented attack on an eastern European democratic nation, NATO was Entirely Justified basing troops in Poland and Lithuania.

I understand Russia has a history of being victimized by invasion. But Putin's war on democratic Ukraine has changed my calculus. I am fully hoping that Finland, Sweden, and a democratic Ukraine join NATO. And if democratic activists ever gain control of Belarus, I am going to hope for Belarusian NATO membership, even though it is an implausible long shot.

I think it's much easier to deposit Putin into the Gulag, and find another Gorbachev.