FBI has 5 days to produce documents or Director will face Contempt of Congress...

[Grokmaster]

Gosh, no hyperbole here.

Yeah; what's a little bribery involving the US VP and our enemies...

 

[Althea]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661747436346544128

LOL.

Have at it. Contempt of Congress means nothing.

 

[Althea]

The Director should do exactly what Trump and his little Trumper cultist wannabe minions always do....

Tell them to and ignore it.

See how they like it.

Exactly. Tell Gym Jordan to go back to aiding rapists.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I'm not a Sea Lawyer, but disagree on "credible defense".

See Executive Order 13526

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;

Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified
as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this
order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official
is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2) the originator’s current successor in function, if that individual has
original classification authority;

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2010-title3-vol1/pdf/CFR-2010-title3-vol1-eo13526.pdf

It is a credible defense.

 

[ExpressLane]

Exactly. Tell Gym Jordan to go back to aiding rapists.

You really think Joe Biden needs the help?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't want to "let him off" but rather don't have the terminal case of TDS you have and am willing to give him the same consideration Hillary and Biden usually get in this matter.

Bullshit all you like, Terry, but the fact you want to give Trump a pass means you're the Trump Dick Sucker. I fully support prosecuting all criminals.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

See Executive Order 13526

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;

Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified
as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this
order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official
is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2) the originator’s current successor in function, if that individual has
original classification authority;

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2010-title3-vol1/pdf/CFR-2010-title3-vol1-eo13526.pdf

It is a credible defense.

Not a Sea Lawyer, Terry. Are you saying Trump only took material he originally classified?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not a Sea Lawyer, Terry. Are you saying Trump only took material he originally classified?

I'm saying as President he is the ultimate authority deciding whether something is to be classified or not. If you read the order more closely, the current President inherits that decision making power over ALL previous documents as well as ones generated during his own time in office. So, any President, not just Trump, has the authority to declassify any document he chooses.

Now, a sensible President would give his staff and such a head's up that he's going to declassify something prior to actually doing it, and might reasonably be expected to allow some feedback on that decision before making it final. But that is at the President's descension, and not mandatory.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm saying as President he is the ultimate authority deciding whether something is to be classified or not. If you read the order more closely, the current President inherits that decision making power over ALL previous documents as well as ones generated during his own time in office. So, any President, not just Trump, has the authority to declassify any document he chooses.

Not a Sea Lawyer, but it looks like he only has that power for documents generated by the President, not nuclear secrets generated elsewhere.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not a Sea Lawyer, but it looks like he only has that power for documents generated by the President, not nuclear secrets generated elsewhere.

Read the fucking order.

Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified
as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this
order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official
is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2) the originator’s current successor in function, if that individual has
original classification authority;

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Read the fucking order.

Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified
as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this
order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official
is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2) the originator’s current successor in function, if that individual has
original classification authority;

^^^
TDS Terry triggered.

How many fucking times do I need to post this, Terry? I AM NOT A FUCKING SEA LAWYER.

I know you are ill and bitter, but you need to get a grip.

 

[floridafan]

Read the fucking order.

Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified
as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this
order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official
is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2) the originator’s current successor in function, if that individual has
original classification authority;

There is s system in place for declassification, and no records whatsoever that Trump declassified any of the documents he stole.
But, more than that, his indictment will have nothing to do with document classification and everything to do with Espionage.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

^^^
TDS Terry triggered.

How many fucking times do I need to post this, Terry? I AM NOT A FUCKING SEA LAWYER.

I know you are ill and bitter, but you need to get a grip.

I, unlike you, am literate and can read a document. You don't have to be a lawyer to do that, or understand its intent. That you can't seemingly grasp something that simple--and lawyering / law is a simple liberal art of no particular difficulty to grasp--says you have a severe lack of intellect.

 

[ExpressLane]

Your opinion is not part of the FBI. The FBI can tell the difference between data on a computer that isn't marked classified but should be classified and documents that contain a heading that states they are "classified" while contained in folders that state "classified."

The FBI can also understand how someone can not know that something that is not marked classified is classified and how someone that has eyesight and reading capabilities of a 6th grader can NOT not know that a document that clearly states it is "classified" is covered under a subpoena that requires they turn over ALL documents marked "classified."

Hillary and her team removed the classification headers from the documents but the data was indeed classified.

Federal agencies did, however, retrospectively determine that 100 emails contained information that should have been deemed classified at the time they were sent, including 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret". An additional 2,093 emails were retroactively designated confidential by the State Department.[2][3][4][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy

Emails from Hillary Clinton’s home server contained information classified at levels higher than previously known, including a level meant to protect some of the most sensitive U.S. intelligence, according to a document obtained by NBC News.

In a letter to lawmakers, the intelligence community’s internal watchdog says some of Clinton’s emails contained information classified Top Secret/Special Access Program, a secrecy designation that includes some of the most closely held U.S. intelligence matters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ls-contained-info-above-top-secret-ig-n499886

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There is s system in place for declassification, and no records whatsoever that Trump declassified any of the documents he stole.
But, more than that, his indictment will have nothing to do with document classification and everything to do with Espionage.

If that's true, then both Biden and Hillary are equally guilty and should be charged too.

 

[floridafan]

If that's true, then both Biden and Hillary are equally guilty and should be charged too.

Neither Biden nor Clinton took classified documents on purpose
Neither Clinton or Biden refused to return them
Neither of them lied about returning them
Neither of the have shown, sold or given classified documents to friends or other countries

 

[archives]

Intent has NOTHING to do with it. Possession alone is sufficient for criminal charges.

You have to prove intent to make it serious, no one is going to proceed with a criminal case without proof of intent, which Trump, unlike the others, has proven by he fact he lied and tried to hide the documents, he wanted to keep them

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I, unlike you, am literate and can read a document. You don't have to be a lawyer to do that, or understand its intent. That you can't seemingly grasp something that simple--and lawyering / law is a simple liberal art of no particular difficulty to grasp--says you have a severe lack of intellect.

Sure, Terry. I have no doubt you're ready to take the Sea Lawyer bar.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Neither Biden nor Clinton took classified documents on purpose
Neither Clinton or Biden refused to return them
Neither of them lied about returning them
Neither of the have shown, sold or given classified documents to friends or other countries

How dense are you? INTENT IS IRRELEVANT! POSSESSION IS SUFFICIENT TO CHARGE SOMEONE CRIMINALLY FOR MISHANDLING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is s system in place for declassification, and no records whatsoever that Trump declassified any of the documents he stole.
But, more than that, his indictment will have nothing to do with document classification and everything to do with Espionage.

Which only goes to prove Terry's anchors no longer touch bottom. He'll go to his grave as a TDS'er and defending the intentional possession of US nuclear secrets....something I think Terry is guilty of doing himself.