The Case Against College Education

I was told by a teacher that I would not be able to graduate HS due to my lack of ability to spell.
 
Jarod said:
I was told by a teacher that I would not be able to graduate HS due to my lack of ability to spell.
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See, this is just stupid. Sure, I like to make fun of you every once in a while for your spelling, or lack thereof, but for a teacher to make such a comment is ... .... to me it's a firing offense. There are many more indicators to look for in a student to see likely future success or failure. I even encourage kids that fail my classes assuring them that knowing or not knowing the Pythagorean Theorem or Quadratic Formula is not what will get them through college. The teacher that told you that was an idiot.
 
people are truly too fucking stupid to make their own decisions. where else can it be said that someone should pay 200,000 dollars to get a piece of paper so they can work a $10 an hour job at costco?
 
Southern Man said:
You appear to be backing off your position that you took in post 2. Do you believe that 'too many go to college' or not? :pke:
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You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. It very well may be the case that on the whole too many people go to college. I don't know and really have no factual basis for asserting an opinion one way or the other.

My point in that post is that even if too many people go to college on the whole, at the individual level it is in the individual's best interest to go to college.
 
leaningright said:
See, this is just stupid. Sure, I like to make fun of you every once in a while for your spelling, or lack thereof, but for a teacher to make such a comment is ... .... to me it's a firing offense. There are many more indicators to look for in a student to see likely future success or failure. I even encourage kids that fail my classes assuring them that knowing or not knowing the Pythagorean Theorem or Quadratic Formula is not what will get them through college. The teacher that told you that was an idiot.
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She did get fired.
 
Southern Man said:
No doubt they graduated you anyway.
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You know why this happens? They don't have much choice. To fail a student takes effort and mountains of paperwork on the part of the teacher and the school. Now you tell me, is that the teacher's fault or the state's?

I was just given a new form today at a staff meeting: Justification For Giving A Student A Failing Grade

Has to be filled out in triplicate, designated to the proper authorities and on file before you can give a kid an "F." What happened to my grade book record being proof enough of a kid's performance?
 
NigelTufnel said:
You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. It very well may be the case that on the whole too many people go to college. I don't know and really have no factual basis for asserting an opinion one way or the other.

My point in that post is that even if too many people go to college on the whole, at the individual level it is in the individual's best interest to go to college.
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The fact that you would consider such a question tells me that my accusation was correct.
 
leaningright said:
You know why this happens? They don't have much choice. To fail a student takes effort and mountains of paperwork on the part of the teacher and the school. Now you tell me, is that the teacher's fault or the state's?

I was just given a new form today at a staff meeting: Justification For Giving A Student A Failing Grade

Has to be filled out in triplicate, designated to the proper authorities and on file before you can give a kid an "F." What happened to my grade book record being proof enough of a kid's performance?
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So because its hard, don't do it. I'm glad that I didn't have that philosophy when I was struggling through engineering school or making my first house payments.
 
Southern Man said:
So because its hard, don't do it. I'm glad that I didn't have that philosophy when I was struggling through engineering school or making my first house payments.
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I don't think that was the point Leaning was trying to make. It looked to me like he was trying to make the point that the state is doing everything in their power to push to get teachers to pass kids, regardless of their grades or effort.

The teachers I know are already snowed under with a mountain of paperwork. Their workload is big enough without adding to it.

And few teachers want to fail someone.
 
Southern Man said:
Why don't you shut your pie hole and let the man speak for himself?
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Why don't you shut the fuck up an understand that this is a public forum.

I thought you would have learned by now that I will post whenever I feel like posting.
 
We should stop calling it pass/fail...

As students progress and are able to or choose to learn some things and not others... they should different degrees or levels of progress.

The lowest should be the equivelent of a certificate of attendance... Meaning they attended HS but did not achieve any level of accomplishment in the attempt to learn anything.

The highest level should be that they passed and learned enough to be elegable to attend a State College. Between those two can be other levels, like achieved level of mastery at auto mechanic or achieved level of mastery at x, y or z...
 
Topspin said:
how are too many people going when the wage benefit to going is still expanding?
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Its not that anyone is saying those who have the skills and the drive should not go.

But there are plenty of kids out there that do not have either. They would be better served by a quality technical education. The problem is that the trade schools are seen as bad, so no one pushed them.
 
WinterBorn said:
Its not that anyone is saying those who have the skills and the drive should not go.

But there are plenty of kids out there that do not have either. They would be better served by a quality technical education. The problem is that the trade schools are seen as bad, so no one pushed them.
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I think trades should be ramped up, but don't colleges have entrance requirements students have to meet?
 
Southern Man said:
The fact that you would consider such a question tells me that my accusation was correct.
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The fact that you still cannot comprehend my meaning notwithstanding that I have explained it to you (when any reasonably intelligent person would not need it explained to him) tells me that either you have serious reading comprehension deficiencies or you just want to be a dick or both. I'm leaning towards both.
 
NigelTufnel said:
The fact that you still cannot comprehend my meaning notwithstanding that I have explained it to you (when any reasonably intelligent person would not need it explained to him) tells me that either you have serious reading comprehension deficiencies or you just want to be a dick or both. I'm leaning towards both.
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Your belligerence is obviously due to your embarrassment at exposing your ignorance of economics.
 
NigelTufnel said:
You still haven't really explained my ignorance of economics. Instead, you lashed out with some silly diatribe about how Ramesh Ponnuru is a Democrat.
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I explained that in post 13. Perhaps you could point out where I mentioned Mr. Ponnuru, never mind called him a Democrat.
 
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