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I am not Grok.And you are known to be dishonest so there is that. Your posts can pound sand with your judge.
I am not Grok.And you are known to be dishonest so there is that. Your posts can pound sand with your judge.
I see. So you are accusing the Trump administration of lying in court.told by government lawyers...LOL
Probationary employees, however, do not have “due process” rights, meaning an agency can terminate the employee with only a written reason for the termination and the date effective — which could be as soon as “effective today.”
In contrast to career federal employees, probationary employees generally do not have the right to appeal a termination to the Merit Systems Protection Board
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What are the rules for probationary periods and federal employees?
The rules around federal probationary periods gained attention after an OPM memo asked agencies for lists of all their employees currently on probation.federalnewsnetwork.com
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The judge has the authority to uphold the law. The law says OPM and DOGE can't fire employees in other departments.What gives this Judge the authority to tell the Dept of Defense to hire people back
Probationary employees, do not have “due process” rights!
CAN BE FIRED AT ANYTIME
If the workers were fired in violation of the law then a judge could order them to hire the workers back. There are many examples of this where business fire someone in violation of the law and have to give them a job back and pay them for all the time between when they were fired and brought back and usually with additional moneys for the illegality.Why hasnt a Judge told CNN and Starbucks to hire back fired workers
Whoah. Not a protest? AmazingNothing? People have been protesting.
Um what?Whoah. Not a protest? Amazing
You do know that the best will refuse to be rehired, right?I see no problem with reevaluating some of the dismissals f they were iimproper... But as the judge points out it's something that does need to happen...
Does your body start digesting itself when you have so much acid it comes out in text?
Inquiring minds want to know.....
Sincerity is something that someone filled with bitterness doesn't understand. This is like a sociopath talking about emotions. They know they exist and how to pretend to have it, but never quite get it right. You think you got it right, but underneath you always wonder, ay, Nomad? We've got your number. Angry acid filled remarks that reek of bitterness and hate are not sincere or "righteous".
I don't, and neither do you...but if they were "the best", they wouldn't have been released...You do know that the best will refuse to be rehired, right?
They were fired without thinking. Musk did not go through and look at each of their particulars and make a personal decision. He fired whoever he thought he could get away with.I don't, and neither do you...but if they were "the best", they wouldn't have been released...
The positions that were eliminated were mostly probationary...There was no one who was "best in their field"...They were fired without thinking. Musk did not go through and look at each of their particulars and make a personal decision. He fired whoever he thought he could get away with.
They could have been the best in their field, and we could have been lucky to hire them. Or they could have been worst in their field, and they would have been lucky to be hired. Musk has no way of knowing, because he could not have found out the particulars of so many people.
The good ones already have new jobs, or are well on their way to finding them. They have been insulted, and want nothing to do with the clown car anymore. The worst ones are desperate to get back on the gravy train. They are not happy about being insulted, but they really need the job, so will move past it.
Are you Sherlock Holmes?Work ethic in general is so often absent these days...
Time for that to change...
So you think new hires cannot be the best in their field? Really? That is just not reality. Many times an organization can get some really good new hires. In fact, that is what they all try to do. If the new hires are then fired, without any judgement, it is a disaster.The positions that were eliminated were mostly probationary...There was no one who was "best in their field"...
Again, not reality. If you fire people who are really good, they get jobs elsewhere. Remember that government jobs do not pay well for well qualified people. The selling point of government jobs is they have stability, and a sense of purpose. If you fire them in mass, no stability. If you insult them, no sense of purpose.But If someone was very good, and loved their job, and got a pink slip, they'll go back....They've not already "moved on"...If they were insulted beyond repair, they're not a good hire anyway...
Again, there is no attempt by Musk to individually judge these employees. It would not be possible for him to judge thousands of employees. The only person judging the individual employees is the individual employees themselves. They will act in their own best interest, not Musk's.The worst won't be rehired, or if they are, won't last...
Again, why did it need to be done? Why fire people with no thought behind it? People get hired for a reason, and then Musk fires them without even knowing the reason they were hired. I could understand if Musk reviewed the reason, and decided it was not good enough, but Musk does not even know the reason.Did it need to be done, and no one else was doing it? Absolutely...
Either that, or more likely, short term pain, and then more long term pain... With absolutely no gain.Short term pain, long term gain...
I'm glad you're not in charge...especially it you don't find it very obvious that it was time to clean house...So you think new hires cannot be the best in their field? Really? That is just not reality. Many times an organization can get some really good new hires. In fact, that is what they all try to do. If the new hires are then fired, without any judgement, it is a disaster.
Again, not reality. If you fire people who are really good, they get jobs elsewhere. Remember that government jobs do not pay well for well qualified people. The selling point of government jobs is they have stability, and a sense of purpose. If you fire them in mass, no stability. If you insult them, no sense of purpose.
Again, there is no attempt by Musk to individually judge these employees. It would not be possible for him to judge thousands of employees. The only person judging the individual employees is the individual employees themselves. They will act in their own best interest, not Musk's.
So the best, who have options, will go with those options. The worst, who do not have options, will do their best to stay with government jobs. This is a textbook example of how not to deal with staffing.
Again, why did it need to be done? Why fire people with no thought behind it? People get hired for a reason, and then Musk fires them without even knowing the reason they were hired. I could understand if Musk reviewed the reason, and decided it was not good enough, but Musk does not even know the reason.
Either that, or more likely, short term pain, and then more long term pain... With absolutely no gain.
Randomly doing things rarely leads to gain.
The DOE is the Department of Energy. I have to question your expertise in ED, if you do not even know their abbreviation.The DOE is a perfect example...and there isn't a school in the country that needs 15 administrators for a thousand students.
I do not know that we have to "clean house", but I am not automatically opposed to it. I am automatically opposed to random firing without any thinking. It is inefficient, and destructive.I'm glad you're not in charge...especially it you don't find it very obvious that it was time to clean house...
One hundred percent accurate.Dont need a reason to fire probationary workers
Probationary employees, however, do not have “due process” rights, meaning an agency can terminate the employee with only a written reason for the termination and the date effective — which could be as soon as “effective today.”