AProudLefty
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I am not Grok.
Thousands of fired federal workers must be rehired immediately, judge rules
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I see. So you are accusing the Trump administration of lying in court.told by government lawyers...LOL
Probationary employees, however, do not have “due process” rights, meaning an agency can terminate the employee with only a written reason for the termination and the date effective — which could be as soon as “effective today.”
In contrast to career federal employees, probationary employees generally do not have the right to appeal a termination to the Merit Systems Protection Board
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What are the rules for probationary periods and federal employees?
The rules around federal probationary periods gained attention after an OPM memo asked agencies for lists of all their employees currently on probation.federalnewsnetwork.com
Federal News Network – Bias and Credibility
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Bias Rating: LEAST BIASED
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Radio Station
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
I guess it's not surprising that he would tell his lawyers to do that but the reality is that when lawyers say something in court judges hold them and their clients to it.
The judge has the authority to uphold the law. The law says OPM and DOGE can't fire employees in other departments.
If the workers were fired in violation of the law then a judge could order them to hire the workers back. There are many examples of this where business fire someone in violation of the law and have to give them a job back and pay them for all the time between when they were fired and brought back and usually with additional moneys for the illegality.
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
Whoah. Not a protest? Amazing
AProudLefty
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Verified User
He's from Sicily that's all you need to know.
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Bitter and twisted are my take on dear old Nonads, sad old man.
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Retired Teacher
I don't, and neither do you...but if they were "the best", they wouldn't have been released...
AProudLefty
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"The best" are those who would never question. 
They were fired without thinking. Musk did not go through and look at each of their particulars and make a personal decision. He fired whoever he thought he could get away with.
They could have been the best in their field, and we could have been lucky to hire them. Or they could have been worst in their field, and they would have been lucky to be hired. Musk has no way of knowing, because he could not have found out the particulars of so many people.
The good ones already have new jobs, or are well on their way to finding them. They have been insulted, and want nothing to do with the clown car anymore. The worst ones are desperate to get back on the gravy train. They are not happy about being insulted, but they really need the job, so will move past it.
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Retired Teacher
The positions that were eliminated were mostly probationary...There was no one who was "best in their field"...
But If someone was very good, and loved their job, and got a pink slip, they'll go back....They've not already "moved on"...If they were insulted beyond repair, they're not a good hire anyway...
The worst won't be rehired, or if they are, won't last...
Could it have been handled differently...sure... Did it need to be done, and no one else was doing it? Absolutely...
Short term pain, long term gain...
And long, long, long overdue...
AProudLefty
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Grok, did Biden have a problem with federal employees questioning him?
There’s no direct evidence from recent news or historical records that Joe Biden, during his presidency (which ended before March 14, 2025, based on the current date), faced a specific, widespread issue with federal employees questioning him in a way that became a notable problem. However, I can provide some context based on what’s known about his administration and federal workforce dynamics.
Biden’s tenure as president, from January 20, 2021, to at least early 2025 (assuming a standard term), focused heavily on restoring norms within the federal government after the Trump administration. He emphasized unity, competence, and respect for the civil service, often reversing policies that had alienated federal workers, like Trump’s Schedule F proposal, which aimed to strip job protections from career employees. Biden revoked Schedule F via executive order in January 2021, signaling support for federal employees rather than antagonism.
That said, federal employees, numbering around 2.3 million civilian workers as of late 2024, are a diverse group with varied opinions. Some likely questioned Biden’s policies—such as his handling of inflation, the Afghanistan withdrawal in 2021, or climate initiatives—either internally or through unions like the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE). However, no major public incidents or scandals specifically highlight Biden clashing with federal workers over their questioning him. Unlike the Trump administration, which saw high-profile firings and legal battles over workforce reductions (e.g., the reinstatement of probationary employees in March 2025 under Trump), Biden’s approach was less confrontational.
If you’re referring to a specific event or rumor, feel free to clarify, and I can dig deeper using available tools like X post analysis or web searches. Based on general knowledge and the provided context, though, Biden didn’t appear to have a prominent “problem” with federal employees questioning him in a way that defined his presidency. Any dissent was likely handled quietly through bureaucratic channels rather than escalating into a public issue.
There’s no direct evidence from recent news or historical records that Joe Biden, during his presidency (which ended before March 14, 2025, based on the current date), faced a specific, widespread issue with federal employees questioning him in a way that became a notable problem. However, I can provide some context based on what’s known about his administration and federal workforce dynamics.
Biden’s tenure as president, from January 20, 2021, to at least early 2025 (assuming a standard term), focused heavily on restoring norms within the federal government after the Trump administration. He emphasized unity, competence, and respect for the civil service, often reversing policies that had alienated federal workers, like Trump’s Schedule F proposal, which aimed to strip job protections from career employees. Biden revoked Schedule F via executive order in January 2021, signaling support for federal employees rather than antagonism.
That said, federal employees, numbering around 2.3 million civilian workers as of late 2024, are a diverse group with varied opinions. Some likely questioned Biden’s policies—such as his handling of inflation, the Afghanistan withdrawal in 2021, or climate initiatives—either internally or through unions like the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE). However, no major public incidents or scandals specifically highlight Biden clashing with federal workers over their questioning him. Unlike the Trump administration, which saw high-profile firings and legal battles over workforce reductions (e.g., the reinstatement of probationary employees in March 2025 under Trump), Biden’s approach was less confrontational.
If you’re referring to a specific event or rumor, feel free to clarify, and I can dig deeper using available tools like X post analysis or web searches. Based on general knowledge and the provided context, though, Biden didn’t appear to have a prominent “problem” with federal employees questioning him in a way that defined his presidency. Any dissent was likely handled quietly through bureaucratic channels rather than escalating into a public issue.
AProudLefty
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So you think new hires cannot be the best in their field? Really? That is just not reality. Many times an organization can get some really good new hires. In fact, that is what they all try to do. If the new hires are then fired, without any judgement, it is a disaster.
Again, not reality. If you fire people who are really good, they get jobs elsewhere. Remember that government jobs do not pay well for well qualified people. The selling point of government jobs is they have stability, and a sense of purpose. If you fire them in mass, no stability. If you insult them, no sense of purpose.
Again, there is no attempt by Musk to individually judge these employees. It would not be possible for him to judge thousands of employees. The only person judging the individual employees is the individual employees themselves. They will act in their own best interest, not Musk's.
So the best, who have options, will go with those options. The worst, who do not have options, will do their best to stay with government jobs. This is a textbook example of how not to deal with staffing.
Again, why did it need to be done? Why fire people with no thought behind it? People get hired for a reason, and then Musk fires them without even knowing the reason they were hired. I could understand if Musk reviewed the reason, and decided it was not good enough, but Musk does not even know the reason.
Either that, or more likely, short term pain, and then more long term pain... With absolutely no gain.
Randomly doing things rarely leads to gain.
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Retired Teacher
I'm glad you're not in charge...especially it you don't find it very obvious that it was time to clean house...
The DOE is a perfect example...and there isn't a school in the country that needs 15 administrators for a thousand students.
The DOE is the Department of Energy. I have to question your expertise in ED, if you do not even know their abbreviation.
The ED has 4,200 employees for about 70 million students. That would be about one employee for 17,000 students. That does not seem like a lot of overhead to me.
I do not know that we have to "clean house", but I am not automatically opposed to it. I am automatically opposed to random firing without any thinking. It is inefficient, and destructive.
I have been on both sides of random firing, and I do know what I am speaking about.