How Long Will The Shutdown Last.

[Hawkeye10]

What you say is true. But with that being the case, why in the hell are Trump and republicans so hell bent on giving tax breaks to the wealthy. Don't they already have enough?

The Constitution is over, the government works for the oligarchs not us.

 

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Is that so?

Well, maybe I was wrong on that point. Republicans want Trump's big ugly bill to go forward. Democrats want to maintain healthcare. If the Democrats give in, 15 million people will lose health care coverage. Along with a host of other bad things.

 

[Diogenes]

Well, maybe I was wrong on that point. Republicans want Trump's big ugly bill to go forward.

OBBA is already law. It has been since July 4, 2025.

Democrats want to maintain healthcare.

For whom?

If the Democrats give in, 15 million people will lose health care coverage.

No, they won't. If a few more Democrats defy Schumer and the clean CR passes the Senate, the clean CR itself would not cause 15 million people to lose health care coverage. It simply maintains government funding through November and includes no changes to health programs like Medicaid or ACA subsidies. Passage would end the shutdown immediately, allowing furloughed workers (e.g., 700,000+ federal employees and contractors) to return and Congress to negotiate longer-term funding and policy fixes separately.

Along with a host of other bad things.

Like what?

 

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That's an article from February, and it's about EOs.

Nothing in that screed mentions the OBBA.

Show me the proof that "what is in the "big beautiful bill" is there by the president's commands.

Show me evidence that "It is all part of that Project 2025".

Prove your claim that "Nothing in that bill did republicans come up with on their own".

Hop to it!

When the article came out doesn't matter. Next, everything is about the big ugly bill. Next, well you got a stack of papers that lay out the goals of project 2025. Then you have a president that goes along with most of what it says. (If not all of it) Who is it that is going to tell republicans what to support. Through an EO or otherwise. A stack of papers or the president. Next, some republicans may have came up with some of the provisions of the big ugly bill. But mostly, it was the president's doing. Congress just ironed out some of the details. And most of it came from 2 places. Project 2025 and Putin.

 

[Diogenes]

When the article came out doesn't matter. Next, everything is about the big ugly bill. Next, well you got a stack of papers that lay out the goals of project 2025. Then you have a president that goes along with most of what it says. (If not all of it) Who is it that is going to tell republicans what to support. Through an EO or otherwise. A stack of papers or the president. Next, some republicans may have came up with some of the provisions of the big ugly bill. But mostly, it was the president's doing. Congress just ironed out some of the details. And most of it came from 2 places. Project 2025 and Putin.

Wow. You really believe all that.

 

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The Constitution is over, the government works for the oligarchs not us.

Only until the 2026 mid term elections. Which if there is any sanity left in this country and if the elections are still fair, most of the republicans will be gone. Then Trump can be impeached for treason. Which means every unqualified boot lick Trump appointed to a high office will be gone too. If given the choice, I will vote for Democratic Socialist. But at the very least, I will vote Democrat. That will put a huge dent into the plans of corporations and Plutocrats in general. Who knows, maybe we will even get what all the other developed nations have. Universal health care.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Only until the 2026 mid term elections. Which if there is any sanity left in this country and if the elections are still fair, most of the republicans will be gone. Then Trump can be impeached for treason. Which means every unqualified boot lick Trump appointed to a high office will be gone too. If given the choice, I will vote for Democratic Socialist. But at the very least, I will vote Democrat. That will put a huge dent into the plans of corporations and Plutocrats in general. Who knows, maybe we will even get what all the other developed nations have. Universal health care.

The Oligarchs finished taking over Washington during the Clinton years.....the chances of that changing near zero.....in fact the plan of the oligarchs is to completely enslave us.

You cant save yourself by voting D....only a revolution could do the job.