Physical materialism

Atheists are overwhelmingly young white men in western countries, so it's not as large a market as the ones televangelist hucksters can tap.

Still, Dawkins salary as a professor at Cambridge was dwarfed by his profits from book sales. So that was a good gig for him!
Agreed. :thup: He learned well from P.T. Barnum and the Televangelists as did the other Four Horsemen of Militant Atheism. LOL
 
Wow. What happened to you? Parents? A girlfriend? A boyfriend? Did a church throw you out for being gay? That would certainly explain the angst.
LOL

Fuck, dude. Give it up. You’re shitting yourself and embarrassing yourself over nothing. Prior to their atheist shtick:

Sam Harris - neuroscientist
Hitchens - journalist and author
Dawkins - evolutionary biologist

You can cry and whine and gnash your teeth, Festus, but those are the facts. To equate those backgrounds with your thumpers is ludicrous.

Just fucking let it go, Goober. You’re getting your panties all in a knot because I call myself an atheist because I see NO EVIDENCE of any gods. And struggle as you might with your twisted logic, you have yet to present anything to convince me otherwise.

And really, dude, the VERY SECOND you present anything other than your rambling gibberish that we’ve suffered through, I PROMISE that I’ll bow down to you with the utmost gratitude and thank you for my eternal salvation.
 
I don’t agree with his characterization of an atheist. True atheists don’t present evidence of no gods.

Oh if you can get him to understand this simple point you will have done the lord's work my son.

You can’t prove that negative.

Unfortunately Cy isn't the only anti-atheist on here who thinks that negative can be proven. It's bizarre how uneducated some people can be on a topic.


 
Atheists are overwhelmingly young white men in western countries, so it's not as large a market as the ones televangelist hucksters can tap.

Where do you get your numbers from Dr. Google? And why don't you bother to support this type of ex cathedra claim?

Still, Dawkins salary as a professor at Cambridge was dwarfed by his profits from book sales. So that was a good gig for him!

Oh fuck this shit. Now atheists are atheists because it gets them $$$$$????

Seriously dude, you hate atheists more than most thumpers. Sheesh. Get a hobby.
 
LOL

Fuck, dude. Give it up. You’re shitting yourself and embarrassing yourself over nothing. Prior to their atheist shtick:

Sam Harris - neuroscientist
Hitchens - journalist and author
Dawkins - evolutionary biologist

You can cry and whine and gnash your teeth, Festus, but those are the facts. To equate those backgrounds with your thumpers is ludicrous.

Just fucking let it go, Goober. You’re getting your panties all in a knot because I call myself an atheist because I see NO EVIDENCE of any gods. And struggle as you might with your twisted logic, you have yet to present anything to convince me otherwise.

And really, dude, the VERY SECOND you present anything other than your rambling gibberish that we’ve suffered through, I PROMISE that I’ll bow down to you with the utmost gratitude and thank you for my eternal salvation.
Given the times, and my estimate of your age, my best hypothesis is you were tossed out of your church and your home with staunchly Christian parents. Hence your hatred and consistently going bonkers on this particular subject 20-25 years after the trauma.
 
please write in your own words, without using an AI copy/paste as a crutch

And here we go....you can click on any one of them to see the full context. You frantically google more than I eat hot food.

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Google AI has the same interpretation of "wetness" that I had, despite Perry's attempt to link it to some jargon from a chemistry textbook.

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Agreed. :thup: He learned well from P.T. Barnum and the Televangelists as did the other Four Horsemen of Militant Atheism. LOL
Acquisition of wealth is the American way, even if it wasn't the way of Jesus, Peter, and Paul.

I have no reason to believe Richard Dawkins or Joel Osteen don't genuinely believe what they write. I'd be surprised if they are writing what they know to be lies.

But it seems like bad optics and bad theology for a Protestant pastor to be living in an extravagant 20 bedroom castle!
 
In the past I'm mentioned the military tactic of "probing fire" AKA "reconnaissance by fire": A scout shoots from a safe distance from his own people the enemy lines and immediately takes cover. Those on the scout's lines note the positions of returning fire. This is done several times, preferably with the scout moving to different, previously noted positions for their own safety and, perhaps to draw fire from different enemy positions.

Another technique is transmission imaging or penetration imaging. The hypothetical that I remember is placing a metal object inside a tent, such as an anvil, then shooting a lot of random holes in the tent. Going over to the other side of the tent would reveal a shape where the bullets didn't penetrate. X-ray shooting radiation through a body to a film plate on the other side is a common practical example.

In psychology, asking a person various questions to see which ones they like to answer and which ones they do not is part of Avoidance Behavior.

When questions consistently result in anger over a specific area when the person is otherwise calm, cool and collected, that is an indication of unresolved trauma.

Putting all of this together is why I know @domer76 has some sort of unresolved trauma regarding Christianity. The #1 reason from Google AI indicates "sexual orientation".


Avoidance Behavior: Examples, Impacts, & How to Overcome​

Avoidance behaviors are any actions people use to escape or distract themselves from distressing thoughts, feelings, and situations. These can look like avoiding new job opportunities, career advancements, relationships, social situations, recreational activities, and family get-togethers. People use avoidance as a coping mechanism for pain, trauma, and other mental health issues.
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Q; what are the top reasons Christian families kick kids out of the home?


Google AI A: Christian families may expel children from the home due to
perceived violations of deeply held religious beliefs and practices, and/or for behavioral issues that endanger the family or constitute a refusal to accept adult responsibilities.

Disagreements Over Religious and Social Issues
A primary category of reasons relates to fundamental disagreements over lifestyle and identity issues, which some parents view as direct violations of their faith. These include:
  • Sexual orientation or gender identity: This is a frequently cited reason, with some parents believing that by housing an LGBTQ+ child, they are condoning or becoming accomplices to "sin".
  • Sexual activity outside of marriage: Premarital sex is often a point of severe contention....

...Perceptions of "Tough Love" or Enabling
Some parents, motivated by the belief that a child must face the consequences of their actions to find God or learn responsibility, may implement a "tough love" approach by expelling an adult child who is capable but unwilling to work or pursue an education. This is often framed as a way to prevent enabling irresponsible behavior.

It is important to note that many Christian perspectives do not advocate for disowning or kicking out children, emphasizing love, forgiveness, and ongoing support regardless of the child's choices. The decision to expel a child is often tied to specific, sometimes rigid, interpretations of faith and community standing.
 
Acquisition of wealth is the American way, even if it wasn't the way of Jesus, Peter, and Paul.

I have no reason to believe Richard Dawkins or Joel Osteen don't genuinely believe what they write. I'd be surprised if they are writing what they know to be lies.

But it seems like bad optics and bad theology for a Protestant pastor to be living in an extravagant 20 bedroom castle!
Agreed. Capitalism is great and fueled our nation's wealth and prosperity. Like anything, it's a double-edged tool which can cause harm if misused. Meaning unregulated. At the moment, we're into deeply into misuse due to lack of sufficient regulations.

They might lean that way but both clearly lean more towards monetary wealth than idealism like "the greater good".
 
Perhaps so on the abilities of the human mind. But all your thoughts are initiated inside your brain. They don’t arrive from some mysterious place out in the ether. And your brain works on chemical interactions, not by some transcendent puppet master somewhere “out there”. Neuroscientists can tell you that.

We humans have survived long enough to be able to have this conversation simply as a matter of evolution. We had no particular physical abilities to survive and reproduce other than a more highly developed brain. We learned how to make tools and weapons and use fire, etc. rather than depend on speed, agility, size, etc. for survival.

You keep talking about this immaterial thing, but haven’t indicated where and how it resides outside our bodies. Dude, that’s called faith.
I don't have the confidence and certainty you do that you understand the origin of the human mind and human consciousness.

In fact, common sense tells me you're lying to yourself and to me in your posture of certainty.

We don't have a scientific explanation for consciousness, reason, imagination, conscience, our subjective mental experience.

You can keep telling yourself that it's been solved scientifically.
But it hasn't. And it probably won't be for centuries, if ever.

Pointing to the chemical reactions of electrons doesn't explain anything about human consciousness or human imagination. It's just a mechanistic description of a chemical process.

I sure hope you don't think your spouse's love, or your children's love is nothing more than a chemical reaction between electrons. Because that would just be sad. Chemistry is deterministic. You can't freely choose to give your love in a deterministic system. Your wife's love would just be a chemical reaction based on millions of years of cold, calculated biological evolution.

I have no idea how human consciousness and subjective mental experience is caused by inanimate subatomic particles. And no one even knows how irreducibly complex cellular biology and genetic code got started. It can't be reproduced in laboratory conditions.

I do feel that mind, reason, consciousness, imagination is beyond physics and chemistry.


So I just don't share your supreme confidence that you basically have it all figured out.
 
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Given the times, and my estimate of your age, my best hypothesis is you were tossed out of your church and your home with staunchly Christian parents. Hence your hatred and consistently going bonkers on this particular subject 20-25 years after the trauma.
LOL

If that’s your best dude, give it up and take up the fucking accordion or something. You suck at hypothesizing.

Now, go grab the Charmin and wipe yourself.
 
In the past I'm mentioned the military tactic of "probing fire" AKA "reconnaissance by fire": A scout shoots from a safe distance from his own people the enemy lines and immediately takes cover. Those on the scout's lines note the positions of returning fire. This is done several times, preferably with the scout moving to different, previously noted positions for their own safety and, perhaps to draw fire from different enemy positions.

Another technique is transmission imaging or penetration imaging. The hypothetical that I remember is placing a metal object inside a tent, such as an anvil, then shooting a lot of random holes in the tent. Going over to the other side of the tent would reveal a shape where the bullets didn't penetrate. X-ray shooting radiation through a body to a film plate on the other side is a common practical example.

In psychology, asking a person various questions to see which ones they like to answer and which ones they do not is part of Avoidance Behavior.

When questions consistently result in anger over a specific area when the person is otherwise calm, cool and collected, that is an indication of unresolved trauma.

Putting all of this together is why I know @domer76 has some sort of unresolved trauma regarding Christianity. The #1 reason from Google AI indicates "sexual orientation".


Avoidance Behavior: Examples, Impacts, & How to Overcome​

Avoidance behaviors are any actions people use to escape or distract themselves from distressing thoughts, feelings, and situations. These can look like avoiding new job opportunities, career advancements, relationships, social situations, recreational activities, and family get-togethers. People use avoidance as a coping mechanism for pain, trauma, and other mental health issues.
===================

Q; what are the top reasons Christian families kick kids out of the home?


Google AI A: Christian families may expel children from the home due to
perceived violations of deeply held religious beliefs and practices, and/or for behavioral issues that endanger the family or constitute a refusal to accept adult responsibilities.

Disagreements Over Religious and Social Issues
A primary category of reasons relates to fundamental disagreements over lifestyle and identity issues, which some parents view as direct violations of their faith. These include:
  • Sexual orientation or gender identity: This is a frequently cited reason, with some parents believing that by housing an LGBTQ+ child, they are condoning or becoming accomplices to "sin".
  • Sexual activity outside of marriage: Premarital sex is often a point of severe contention....

...Perceptions of "Tough Love" or Enabling
Some parents, motivated by the belief that a child must face the consequences of their actions to find God or learn responsibility, may implement a "tough love" approach by expelling an adult child who is capable but unwilling to work or pursue an education. This is often framed as a way to prevent enabling irresponsible behavior.

It is important to note that many Christian perspectives do not advocate for disowning or kicking out children, emphasizing love, forgiveness, and ongoing support regardless of the child's choices. The decision to expel a child is often tied to specific, sometimes rigid, interpretations of faith and community standing.
OBSESSION is not just a men’s cologne.

The Charmin is in aisle six, the tin foil in aisle seven. I think today is Senior Tuesday. Take advantage of it.
 
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I don't have the confidence and certainty you do that you understand the origin of the human mind and human consciousness.

In fact, common sense tells me you're lying to yourself and to me in your posture of certainty.

We don't have a scientific explanation for consciousness, reason, imagination, conscience, our subjective mental experience.

You can keep telling yourself that it's been solved scientifically.
But it hasn't. And it probably won't be for centuries, if ever.

Pointing to the chemical reactions of electrons doesn't explain anything about human consciousness or human imagination. It's just a mechanistic description of a chemical process.

I sure hope you don't think your spouse's love, or your children's love is nothing more than a chemical reaction between electrons. Because that would just be sad. Chemistry is deterministic. You can't freely choose to give your love in a deterministic system. Your wife's love would just be a chemical reaction based on millions of years of cold, calculated biological evolution.

I have no idea how human consciousness and subjective mental experience is caused by inanimate subatomic particles. And no one even knows how irreducibly complex cellular biology and genetic code got started. It can't be reproduced in laboratory conditions.

I do feel that mind, reason, consciousness, imagination is beyond physics and chemistry.


So I just don't share your supreme confidence that you basically have it all figured out.
I keep asking where this extra-body consciousness is located, but can’t seem to get an answer. Not just where it resides, but where it goes when your body dies. Is it transferred to another entity or does it just hang around for a few years?

Be specific now. Inquiring minds want to know.

But, just to let you know, it really is OK to just go ahead and admit it that it’s FAITH. Belief without evidence.
 
I keep asking where this extra-body consciousness is located, but can’t seem to get an answer.
Is English you're third language? I told you repeatedly I don't pretend to know the answer, I don't have the arrogance of certainty you do. I believe it's beyond physics and chemistry, and we don't even currently have a scientific discipline to explain it at this time.

Not just where it resides, but where it goes when your body dies. Is it transferred to another entity or does it just hang around for a few years?

Be specific now. Inquiring minds want to know.

But, just to let you know, it really is OK to just go ahead and admit it that it’s FAITH. Belief without evidence.
You have yet to explain exactly how inanimate electrons actually create imagination, consciousness, reason. You have the arrogance of certainty, what's holding you back from giving a comprehensive explanation?

You seem unwilling to confess that your spouse's love is nothing more than an inanimate chemical reaction between electrons in her skull. You might be so reticent to confess it because that is a really sad and cynical view of love and free will, and you undoubtedly realize how sad it is.
 
Is English you're third language? I told you repeatedly I don't pretend to know the answer, I don't have the arrogance of certainty you do. I believe it's beyond physics and chemistry, and we don't even currently have a scientific discipline to explain it at this time.


You have yet to explain exactly how inanimate electrons actually create imagination, consciousness, reason. You have the arrogance of certainty, what's holding you back from giving a comprehensive explanation?

You seem unwilling to confess that your spouse's love is nothing more than an inanimate chemical reaction between electrons in her skull. You might be so reticent to confess it because that is a really sad and cynical view of love and free will, and you undoubtedly realize how sad it is.
women are never happy.

well, maybe some old lady somewhere.

MGTOW for the win.
 
Is English you're third language? I told you repeatedly I don't pretend to know the answer, I don't have the arrogance of certainty you do. I believe it's beyond physics and chemistry, and we don't even currently have a scientific discipline to explain it at this time.


You have yet to explain exactly how inanimate electrons actually create imagination, consciousness, reason. You have the arrogance of certainty, what's holding you back from giving a comprehensive explanation?

You seem unwilling to confess that your spouse's love is nothing more than an inanimate chemical reaction between electrons in her skull. You might be so reticent to confess it because that is a really sad and cynical view of love and free will, and you undoubtedly realize how sad it is.
Ah, just a little twist on the God of the Gaps. When you fall out of love, little Cupid out there flying around in the clouds just quits zapping you with his arrows, right?

Now, tell us the truth. You thing a hormone is when you don’t pay her, don’t you?
 
Ah, just a little twist on the God of the Gaps. When you fall out of love, little Cupid out there flying around in the clouds just quits zapping you with his arrows.

Now, tell us the truth. You thing a hormone is when you don’t pay her, don’t you?
^^ Still no explanation for how inanimate electrons create love, imagination, consciousness, reason, despite having claimed the mantle of arrogant certainty.
 
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