WND: Apparently the Governor Can't Find the Birth Certificate

Dixie said:
Christie.. what is your explanation for why Obama has not released the long form birth certificate? I'm not being facetious, I am genuinely curious as to why lefties think this hasn't been done.
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Speaking only for myself this says it all.

"If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State's office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

And there's the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world's biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything's possible.

But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what's reasonable has to take over.

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion... that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic.

And that's true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
 
Good Luck said:
Is there a single liberal here that does not need a reading comprehension course? My post CLEARLY said Clinton SUPPORTERS, not Clinton herself. Grow a fucking brain. (No wait, you'd have to clear your skull of donkey shit first.)
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I was mixing up your posts with bravo's. He's making the same arguments as you, only inserting Hillary into them.

OT, you really are an angry, foul-mouthed person, aren't you. I wonder why some conservatives can't make their points without stooping to this.

So what is YOUR theory? Did Berg challenged Obama's eligibility, even file a lawsuit about it just before the convention, because he wanted Clinton to LOSE? LOL You people are the most pathetic brain dead hacks there are.
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Berg filed the suit two months after Clinton withdrew from the campaign. Even if it succeeded it had nothing to do with her anymore. What point are you trying to make about Hillary?

So you represent the entirety of the democratic party? If not, what the fuck does what YOU thought have to do with the FACT that McCain's eligibility was challenged, a challenge that ended up in a Senate hearing? YOU made the claim that NO ONE ELSE had to cough up their BC, or that McCains was only brought up because of Obama's. That is, quite obviously, a bald faced LIE on your part.
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Democrats didn't question McCain's BC, it was a representative of the American Independent Party, a right-wing group with ties to Alan Keyes, who filed the suit. So you can stop right now the BS that Dems were responsible.

Because the POINT, you brain dead twit, is that you are fucking LIAR with your bullshit claims that Obama is being singled out for unusual treatment.
Post 42:Post 83LIES - McCain's eligibility was challenged BEFORE Obama's, when everyone still thought Obama's chances were next to zero.
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The AIP isn't a viable party in the US. They're a group of fringe righties who put up Alan Keyes for president in 2008. The left was not behind the McCain business. You're really reaching when you have to use those jokers to support your arguments.

Again, where did I say CLINTON did anything?
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I repeat, I confused some of your posts with bravo's. He's trying to claim a direct link between Hillary and Berg.

But some who supported her certainly did. I never claimed any "connivance" between Clinton and Berg. But the FACTS (which you don't deal with, but want us to? hypocrite.) are that the first shots at Obama's eligibility came from fellow democrats, NOT from the right wing as you are LYING about, and BERG, a DEMOCRAT, filed the first lawsuit trying to force Obama to release his original birth certificate.
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Cite the facts. I sure as hell can't find anything like that, except for one Democrat, Philip Berg.

When the "facts" you refer to are the LIES you try to propagate, no thanks. I have the REAL facts that you spin like an out of control blender. Do you actually believe your own shit?
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Post some URLs showing that "Democrats", plural, and not just Philip Berg, fired the first shots in the birther conspiracies.
 
Every state in the US will provide you with a replacement birth certificate if you lose your original. It is good enough to obtain a passport that says you are a citizen of the US. So if he can't find his original just obtain a certified copy from the State of Hawaii and be done with it. It is good enough for the Social Security administration, good enough for the US army, good enough to get a passport and a drivers license in most states. BUT, if he produces a certified copy it will still not be good enough for the birthers. Nothing short of the original will do.
 
christiefan915 said:
Where in the statute does it say that the BC will state the child was born in Hawaii? The truth is, it may be issued in Hawaii but will name the actual place of birth, Hawaii or otherwise.

"Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
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This doesn't prove your assertion at all.
 
Damn Yankee said:
This doesn't prove your assertion at all.
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Oops, wrong quote.

"Some have pointed to a provision of Hawaiian law that permits the issuance of certifications of live birth to those born outside the state or even outside the country. However, the suggestion that this could have applied to Obama was rejected by Okubo: "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate."

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
 
christiefan915 said:
Oops, wrong quote.

"Some have pointed to a provision of Hawaiian law that permits the issuance of certifications of live birth to those born outside the state or even outside the country. However, the suggestion that this could have applied to Obama was rejected by Okubo: "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate."

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
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That sounds like his opinion, not backed up.
 
christiefan915 said:
Where in the statute does it say that the BC will state the child was born in Hawaii? The truth is, it may be issued in Hawaii but will name the actual place of birth, Hawaii or otherwise.

"Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
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your quote doesn't support your claim.....in fact, it admits that under the law of Hawaii a birth certificate would be issued for someone born outside of Hawaii so long as the parents claimed they declared Hawaii to be their legal residence for a year prior to the birth.....thus, one could obtain a Hawaiian birth certificate while not qualifying to be a US citizen......
 
Socrtease said:
Every state in the US will provide you with a replacement birth certificate if you lose your original. It is good enough to obtain a passport that says you are a citizen of the US. So if he can't find his original just obtain a certified copy from the State of Hawaii and be done with it. It is good enough for the Social Security administration, good enough for the US army, good enough to get a passport and a drivers license in most states. BUT, if he produces a certified copy it will still not be good enough for the birthers. Nothing short of the original will do.
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????.....you realize of course, he refuses to release a certified copy that would be good enough for Social Security, the US Army, a passport or a driver's license in most states.....if he only would, this argument would have to fade away.....
 
christiefan915 said:
Oops, wrong quote.

"Some have pointed to a provision of Hawaiian law that permits the issuance of certifications of live birth to those born outside the state or even outside the country. However, the suggestion that this could have applied to Obama was rejected by Okubo: "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate."

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
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so is that what shows up on Obama's certificate?.....is that why he won't release it?.....
 
christiefan915 said:
I was mixing up your posts with bravo's. He's making the same arguments as you, only inserting Hillary into them.

OT, you really are an angry, foul-mouthed person, aren't you. I wonder why some conservatives can't make their points without stooping to this.



Berg filed the suit two months after Clinton withdrew from the campaign. Even if it succeeded it had nothing to do with her anymore. What point are you trying to make about Hillary?



Democrats didn't question McCain's BC, it was a representative of the American Independent Party, a right-wing group with ties to Alan Keyes, who filed the suit. So you can stop right now the BS that Dems were responsible.



The AIP isn't a viable party in the US. They're a group of fringe righties who put up Alan Keyes for president in 2008. The left was not behind the McCain business. You're really reaching when you have to use those jokers to support your arguments.



I repeat, I confused some of your posts with bravo's. He's trying to claim a direct link between Hillary and Berg.



Cite the facts. I sure as hell can't find anything like that, except for one Democrat, Philip Berg.



Post some URLs showing that "Democrats", plural, and not just Philip Berg, fired the first shots in the birther conspiracies.
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Okay, first I will say that I can see why you would read that I implied it was democrats who challenged McCain's eligibility, because I asked if you represented all democrats. I did not intend from that statement to imply that it was democrats who challenged McCain's eligibility. Nor would it make sense that it was democrats, since the challenge was issued before the primaries. This knowledge would indicate that the challenge would have come from other republican(s).

But the POINT is that McCain's eligibility was challenged BEFORE Obama's. The rest of it is stupid spin on your part. "prove it was democrats (plural)" LOL Still dancing around the FACTS that you lied about McCain only being challenged because Obama was, and you lied that Obama was the only one who was asked to produce his birth certificate.

Bottom line, no matter who it was challenging McCain's or Obama's eligibility, BOTH were challenged, with McCain's challenge coming first. Therefore, your claims are lies. Period. Spin it any way you want, but your still lied about the situation being ONLY against Obama, you lied that only Obama has been asked to produce his BC, you lied that McCain's challenge was only in response to Obama's, etc. etc. etc. Dwell away on the minutia all you want, you cannot hide from your lies.

Also, as to Berg's lawsuit, suppose for a second that his challenge had been successful. What would that have done to Clinton's withdrawal from the race? ie: it did not matter that Clinton had withdrawn - a successful challenge to Obama's eligibility would have put her right back in the driver's seat. So much for THAT spin....
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Actually, I believe Christie pointed out how all this nonsense coincided with the realization that Hillary wasn't going to make the cut, so what you're posting here is no big revelation.

Here's something that should wise you up:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...&postcount=135
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bravo said:
Your link has nothing ....absolutely nothing to do with the topic of my post...

Its like me claiming water is wet and you responding that the sky is blue....completely irrelevant to whats being said.

You're a pinhead of the first degree....that has a major problem understanding WTF you read....

Christie's claims are a bullshit attempt to blame the birth controversy on some imaginary right wing "birthers" when it was initiated by the Hillary supporter Philip Berg has filed a lawsuit in federal court some time before the Dem. convention.....and news reports show it was brought up months before by the Clinton campaign, long before the actual filing of the suit....

Feel free to honk you little horn now Clarabell...like the clown you are and next time, try to keep up with what we.re talking about.....:fu:
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Okay, let me dumb it down for you. The run up to the Dem convention that chose the nomination for President is within the time frame of Berg's little stunt. You got that bunky? They were trying to knock Obama out of the running BEFORE the convention.....but Berg & company were late to the "birther party", as anyone who read more than one newspaper would know. FYI:

http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2008/07/who_sent_you_th_1.htm

http://cwnewz.com/content/view/308/2/

So Chrisite's point is most valid, and all YOU are doing is squawking about a moot point.

And my link is to information that your dummy pal Dixie can't deal with regarding all this birther bullshit is just to pre-empt any further blatherings from you in that vein.

I swear Bravo....I knew you were a neocon parrot, but I didn't think you were THIS dumb. FYI, Buffalo Bob and Clarabell have been dead and buried for YEARS now....which would explain your reference, as apparantly you're cognitive reasoning skills are stuck in that time period. "Bravo" indeed.
 
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