2nd Amendment Conversation from the Defund thread

OP's main goal is to get enough money from the government to go to the "rub n' tug" a couple times a month. Hope that clarifies things for you.

That bitch can't own a gun, ever. He get a government cuckoo check or something. He'd be denied purchase of a firearm.

I was being nice letting this go as long as it did, but enough is enough.
 
you still speak without knowledge, or you continue to spread disinformation to eliminate the right of the people......

The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America — Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.

There are other things so clearly out of the power of Congress, that the bare recital of them is sufficient, I mean the "...rights of bearing arms for defence, or for killing game..." These things seem to have been inserted among their objections, merely to induce the ignorant to believe that Congress would have a power over such objects and to infer from their being refused a place in the Constitution, their intention to exercise that power to the oppression of the people. —ALEXANDER WHITE (1787)

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. — Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787.

The congress of the United States possesses no power to regulate, or interfere with the domestic concerns, or police of any state: it belongs not to them to establish any rules respecting the rights of property; nor will the constitution permit any prohibition of arms to the people; or of peaceable assemblies by them, for any purposes whatsoever, and in any number, whenever they may see occasion. —ST. GEORGE TUCKER'S BLACKSTONE

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government. — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28)

O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone; and you have no longer a democratical spirit. Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all? - patrick henry

As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms. — Tench Coxe in `Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1.

The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;... — Thomas Jefferson to Justice John Cartwright, 1824. ME 16:45.

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms... — Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87

The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them. — Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646

I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them. — George Mason, during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788)

The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both. — William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)

Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people. — Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

“The Constitution shall never be construed… to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams


All of these clearly indicate that the 2nd Amendment was written to remove even the slightest inclination of government to control the arms that belong to the people, as individuals. Not a standing army, which the founders mistrusted, and not the national guard which didn't even exist at that time.

Even in the beginning, the founders attempted clarification which gun lovers avoid. What Washington actually said " A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined, to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite " Washinton made it plain that they were to protect the country since we had no standing army and designated personal guns as essentially military supplies.
 
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Says it all, really.
 
Even in the beginning, the founders attempted clarification which gun lovers avoid. What Washington actually said " A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined, to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite " Washinton made it plain that they were to protect the country since we had no standing army and designated personal guns as essentially military supplies.

Contextomy fallacy. Special pleading fallacy. Discard of the Constitution of the United States. Speaking for the dead. Omniscience fallacy. False authority fallacy.
 
Even in the beginning, the founders attempted clarification which gun lovers avoid. What Washington actually said " A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined, to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite " Washinton made it plain that they were to protect the country since we had no standing army and designated personal guns as essentially military supplies.

basing your 'interpretation' on the sole statement of a single individual and not looking at the whole picture is like basing your belief on the 2nd Amendment due to Burgers single statement instead of the numerous statements I posted, along with the numerous court cases that I haven't posted yet.

I repeat, the founders having a serious mistrust over standing armies and their OLD central government that tried to take their arms, would NOT write an Amendment that guaranteed only the standing army and their NEW central government had a right to arms.
 
lol. You Ignorance is showing.

^The definition of irony and ignorance. :laugh:

It says well regulated militia of the people are necessary not the unorganized militia of the people.

No it doesn't say that you low IQ douchebag. I posted the exact words. I would ask you to be less stupid and ignorant but I am not sure at this stage of your mental illness it is possible. :palm:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
 
Even in the beginning, the founders attempted clarification which gun lovers avoid.

Another stupid lie filled meme from low IQ losers on the left; "gun lovers." :palm:

What Washington actually said " A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined, to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite " Washinton made it plain that they were to protect the country since we had no standing army and designated personal guns as essentially military supplies.

Washington had nothing to do with the Constitution you smarmy caricature of ignorance and stupidity. :palm:
 
basing your 'interpretation' on the sole statement of a single individual and not looking at the whole picture is like basing your belief on the 2nd Amendment due to Burgers single statement instead of the numerous statements I posted, along with the numerous court cases that I haven't posted yet.

I repeat, the founders having a serious mistrust over standing armies and their OLD central government that tried to take their arms, would NOT write an Amendment that guaranteed only the standing army and their NEW central government had a right to arms.

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Contextomy fallacy. Special pleading fallacy. Discard of the Constitution of the United States. Speaking for the dead. Omniscience fallacy. False authority fallacy.

When a dumb post is needed, you will supply it. Those are Washington's views. He recognized we had a citizen army that was fighting for our country. There was no standing army. As a general, he emphasized a regulated and trained militia. That is all obsolete now and should be changed. We have a hoooge army, a bigly one.
 
When a dumb post is needed, you will supply it. Those are Washington's views. He recognized we had a citizen army that was fighting for our country. There was no standing army. As a general, he emphasized a regulated and trained militia. That is all obsolete now and should be changed. We have a hoooge army, a bigly one.

the framers feared standing armies as a bane to liberty...........they KNEW that ONLY an equally armed populace could constrain a standing armies ability to oppress. the 2nd Amendment prohibits the government from interfering with the citizens right to possess arms.
 
the framers feared standing armies as a bane to liberty...........they KNEW that ONLY an equally armed populace could constrain a standing armies ability to oppress. the 2nd Amendment prohibits the government from interfering with the citizens right to possess arms.
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
 
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

Simple question. Do you think "we the people" should be disarmed?
 
Simple question. Do you think "we the people" should be disarmed?
No. I believe our elected representatives should do the job they get paid to do.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
 
What is their job concerning the 2nd. Amendment?


There are thousands of gun clubs around this country. They are organized.
Is reading comprehension not a right-wing forte?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
 
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