5 ways to tell if you're a Libertarian

[Flash]

In 1937 Roosevelt was using surplus payroll taxes to fund general expenditures.

If interested this is a great book on the history of entitlements in the U.S. It's not a partisan book. It starts at the revolutionary war and goes up to today. It's a great history.


https://www.amazon.com/High-Cost-Good-Intentions-Entitlement/dp/1503603547

If there was a surplus in payroll taxes that surplus is used to buy treasuries as required by the original SS law. The money used to purchase those treasuries is then used by government in the (usually) general fund. It is no different than other purchases of treasuries which the government borrows and repays with interest.

It makes more sense than just letting those surplus SS taxes sit in the trust fund earning no interest while government goes sells treasuries on the open market which puts pressure on interest rates and borrowing. Either way, the government is borrowing money which must be repaid with interest. It is better to borrow your own money and repay yourself with interest than borrowing from the public and paying them interest.

My point is that the government did not raid SS and only followed the law which was a logical thing to do. SS is not having revenue problems because Congress took the money because that $2.8 trillion surplus is in the SS trust fund and currently being used for SS benefits. Congress has to come up with the money to repay those treasuries but it would have to do that even with money it borrowed from the public.

Too often we hear SS would be in good shape IF Congress had not "stolen" the money to spend on war (liberals) or welfare (conservatives).

Thanks for the information-looks like a useful book.

 

[Flash]

I think you're talking about taxes paid on personal income. I was talking about taxes on corporate income.

Many corporations end up paying zero in taxes after all the loopholes.

Even with corporate welfare, personal tax breaks and shelters, the top percent can still afford to pay the majority of the total taxes collected. Just imagine what they could pay and how much more revenue the govt could use, with just a small tax increase on the top percent.

And they'd still have plenty of money for themselves.

I understand. Many corporations do not pay taxes (especially if they made no profit), but corporate income still pays a lot of federal income taxes. Corporations only pay about 10% of federal income taxes vs. 33% in 1952. But that is very misleading. In those days most corporations were C-Corporations. Today, the number of C-Corporations has declined and most are S-Corporations, sole proprietorships, partnerships, and LLCs. This category is more numerous and is the source of most corporate income today; but, it is pass-through being taxed by individual income taxes, so it does not show up separately as "corporate" income taxes.

The bottom 40% of earners also pay no federal income taxes due to "loopholes" in the form of standard deduction, dependents, mortgage interest, charitable contributions, income and sales tax deductions, medical expenses, child tax credit, educational tax credit, and others. In addition to owing no federal income taxes many of the bottom 40% get back up to $5500 in Earned Income Tax Credits.

 

[Nomad]

Something that's done according to the way the law is written isn't a loophole. That's the excuse you big government tax mongers want to use. It's like the gun shows. As a private seller, I can sell to another individual provided they meet three provisions under the law. Best believe I ask. That isn't a loophole. It's in line with what the LAW requires.

That's EXACTLY what a loophole is you dumb fucking ape!!!!

That's why they're called LEGAL LOOPHOLES... because they're written directly into the laws. There's no such thing as an illegal loophole. If something is not written into the law legally, then it's illegal and simply a case of breaking the law.

You are the dumbest fucking peckerwood monkey on this board.

If they were doing what they were supposed to do, the rest of us wouldn't be forced to provide those things to them. It's not the government's job to feed you, house you, clothe you, and provide your health insurance. It's yours. Those that demand such things are the greedy ones since they expect something they didn't earn.

It's every human being's moral responsibility to help out their fellow human beings any way they can, be it in a big way or in a small way like paying their taxes.

Of course, scum like you who have no moral values will never understand that.

I didn't say that was their fault. It isn't the taxpayer's responsibility to provide for them either. That's where you bleeding hearts have it all wrong. If you want them to have it, YOU provide it to them with YOUR money. You claim to have it. Take care of those for which you say you care.

You run your fat yap about how automation makes business owners worth more than workers but when those workers who lost their jobs can't find another one, you want them to live in the woods and starve just because you're a greedy piece of dog shit.

Well that's just tough shit for you, asshole.

Better get used to your tax dollars going into the pockets of other people because it's going to continue for the rest of your stinking, worthless redneck loser life.

And there's not a DAMNED THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!!!

 

[SmarterthanYou]

That's EXACTLY what a loophole is you dumb fucking ape!!!!

That's why they're called LEGAL LOOPHOLES... because they're written directly into the laws. There's no such thing as an illegal loophole. If something is not written into the law legally, then it's illegal and simply a case of breaking the law.

You are the dumbest fucking peckerwood monkey on this board.

absolutely wrong, you stupid fucking moron. a loophole is something found within the laws that wasn't intended, whereas something that is specifically written in to the law is an intentional escape route.

 

[Nomad]

absolutely wrong, you stupid fucking moron. a loophole is something found within the laws that wasn't intended, whereas something that is specifically written in to the law is an intentional escape route.

You're a total fucking ignoramus.

Loopholes can be intentionally written into laws or exist unintentionally, but either way what your idiot broke back peckerwood boyfriend said about them is horseshit.

Obvious why you're called DumberThanShit.

 

[CFM]

That's EXACTLY what a loophole is you dumb fucking ape!!!!

That's why they're called LEGAL LOOPHOLES... because they're written directly into the laws. There's no such thing as an illegal loophole. If something is not written into the law legally, then it's illegal and simply a case of breaking the law.

You are the dumbest fucking peckerwood monkey on this board.



It's every human being's moral responsibility to help out their fellow human beings any way they can, be it in a big way or in a small way like paying their taxes.

Of course, scum like you who have no moral values will never understand that.



You run your fat yap about how automation makes business owners worth more than workers but when those workers who lost their jobs can't find another one, you want them to live in the woods and starve just because you're a greedy piece of dog shit.

Well that's just tough shit for you, asshole.

Better get used to your tax dollars going into the pockets of other people because it's going to continue for the rest of your stinking, worthless redneck loser life.

And there's not a DAMNED THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!!!

No, boy, a loophole allows you to do something legal but not in the manner in which the law was intended. If you do it according to the law was written and intended, it's not a loophole.

Not my responsibility to do a damn thing for someone unwilling to do for themselves. They have a moral value to do for themselves. If they aren't willing to do for themselves, no one else has one. I do find it interesting that those of you claiming there is one expect others to foot the bill for what you say should be done.

That's OK if you get someone else's money because you won't do for yourself. It's just another example of my superiority to you. At least you admit you're inferior. The sad part is your were born that way and there's not a damn thing you can do to change it no matter how hard you try.

 

[CFM]

You're a total fucking ignoramus.

Loopholes can be intentionally written into laws or exist unintentionally, but either way what your idiot broke back peckerwood boyfriend said about them is horseshit.

Obvious why you're called DumberThanShit.

Loopholes aren't written into the law. Loopholes involve someone using something in a manner in which it wasn't intended yet is still legal.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

i hate having facts shoved down my throat, so fuck you smarterthanme

I know, you sorry idiot.

 

[iolo]

I think the reason most people are not 'libertarians', apart from a basic knowledge of capitalism, is that they care about others and think there are more interesting things to do in life that piling up heaps of cash to pay for showy funerals.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I think the reason most people are not 'libertarians', apart from a basic knowledge of capitalism, is that they care about others and think there are more interesting things to do in life that piling up heaps of cash to pay for showy funerals.

i think it's funny that you define 'caring about others' as democrats and republicans using the legal system and government enforcers to oppress, imprison, or murder civilians, usually of opposite politica leanings.

is that why the UK is so fucked up?

 

[iolo]

Why on earth do you suppose I think that? And, by the way, I belong to a party that wants to break up the UK. Have a good day now!

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Why on earth do you suppose I think that? And, by the way, I belong to a party that wants to break up the UK. Have a good day now!

it's pretty clear by your statements. You believe Libertarians don't care about others like democrats and republicans do by stealing the wealth of the populace, through 'taxation', and redistributing it among the population at the whim of idiot constituents, while at the very same time those very democrats and republican cheer on the government sanctioned brute squads when their force descends upon their political enemies. what else are we to think of you fucked up brits?

 

[iolo]

it's pretty clear by your statements. You believe Libertarians don't care about others like democrats and republicans do by stealing the wealth of the populace, through 'taxation', and redistributing it among the population at the whim of idiot constituents, while at the very same time those very democrats and republican cheer on the government sanctioned brute squads when their force descends upon their political enemies. what else are we to think of you fucked up brits?

You are just assuming other people are involved in your ridiculous games, kid. Your difficulty is that you have been brainwashed to take capitalism for granted, so you are just flailing about aimlessly. Freedom AND caring for others are incompatible with that system. Simple as that, and all this silly 'You're another' game won't alter it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You are just assuming other people are involved in your ridiculous games, kid. Your difficulty is that you have been brainwashed to take capitalism for granted, so you are just flailing about aimlessly. Freedom AND caring for others are incompatible with that system. Simple as that, and all this silly 'You're another' game won't alter it.

if one is FORCED to provide for others, that's not freedom. If one can give willingly to help another, THAT is FREEDOM!!!!

you're really fucked over there in the UK with the idiot brainwashing they've done to you. it makes me sad for you.

 

[iolo]

if one is FORCED to provide for others, that's not freedom. If one can give willingly to help another, THAT is FREEDOM!!!!

you're really fucked over there in the UK with the idiot brainwashing they've done to you. it makes me sad for you.

No, that's your tedious 'charity' fart. when the gangster throws you a copper or so back, silly conscience money. Come off it and stop telling yourself silly fairy stories!

 

[Nomad]

No, boy, a loophole allows you to do something legal but not in the manner in which the law was intended. If you do it according to the law was written and intended, it's not a loophole.

Loopholes aren't written into the law. Loopholes involve someone using something in a manner in which it wasn't intended yet is still legal.

Ignorant trash like you are perfect arguments against dropping out of high school.

You're too fucking stupid to even think for yourself so you allow right-wing propaganda to fill your mush brain in place of actual knowledge.

The word "loophole" is merely a coloquial expression to describe a legal way to get around adhering to the STATED or SUPPOSED intent of a law or a contract, but that doesn't mean the writers or creators of the law or contract didn't put it in there on purpose (like the loopholes the NRA pays Repugnant legislators to write into gun laws). Hence, your original claim that taking advantage of them is somehow not acting legally, is total bullshit like everything else you puke and shit around here.

Your original claim was "Something that's done according to the way the law is written isn't a loophole" then you said "Loopholes aren't written into the law. Loopholes involve someone using something in a manner in which it wasn't intended yet is still legal" neither of which makes any sense because in order to take advantage of a loophole in a law or contract, it HAS TO BE written into it.

The only question is whether or not it was intentionally included (as in corporste welfare and the gun show loophole) or unintentionally included because of carelessness.

Not my responsibility to do a damn thing for someone unwilling to do for themselves. They have a moral value to do for themselves. If they aren't willing to do for themselves, no one else has one. I do find it interesting that those of you claiming there is one expect others to foot the bill for what you say should be done.

You keep yapping about people being "unwilling" to do for themselves but you have never once mentioned those who want to work and be self sufficient but for some reason beyond their control, cannot, yet they still have families to feed. Proof positive that you obviously have no moral values. Just ignorant redneck greed and self interest.

And let me tell you, I LOVE the fact that you live every waking minute of your life knowing that part of that weekly paycheck you get for breaking your back scrubbing toilets and mopping floors goes into the pockets of people you hate and despise so virulently.

And I also LOVE the fact that you keep on providing me with endless opportunities to remind you of it and rub your face in it.

Stupid peckerwood!!!!

That's OK if you get someone else's money because you won't do for yourself. It's just another example of my superiority to you. At least you admit you're inferior. The sad part is your were born that way and there's not a damn thing you can do to change it no matter how hard you try.

I could buy and sell you, trailer trash punk.

Just STFU and pay your taxes.

Them welfare mothers need more of your money!!!!!

 

[Nomad]

I love two things: having a large brown dick shoved down my throat and spouting ignorant shit on internet forums.

Well, at least you spend a lot of time doing what you love, DumberthanShit.

 

[CFM]

Ignorant trash like you are perfect arguments against dropping out of high school.

You're too fucking stupid to even think for yourself so you allow right-wing propaganda to fill your mush brain in place of actual knowledge.

The word "loophole" is merely a coloquial expression to describe a legal way to get around adhering to the STATED or SUPPOSED intent of a law or a contract, but that doesn't mean the writers or creators of the law or contract didn't put it in there on purpose (like the loopholes the NRA pays Repugnant legislators to write into gun laws). Hence, your original claim that taking advantage of them is somehow not acting legally, is total bullshit like everything else you puke and shit around here.

Your original claim was "Something that's done according to the way the law is written isn't a loophole" then you said "Loopholes aren't written into the law. Loopholes involve someone using something in a manner in which it wasn't intended yet is still legal" neither of which makes any sense because in order to take advantage of a loophole in a law or contract, it HAS TO BE written into it.

The only question is whether or not it was intentionally included (as in corporste welfare and the gun show loophole) or unintentionally included because of carelessness.



You keep yapping about people being "unwilling" to do for themselves but you have never once mentioned those who want to work and be self sufficient but for some reason beyond their control, cannot, yet they still have families to feed. Proof positive that you obviously have no moral values. Just ignorant redneck greed and self interest.

And let me tell you, I LOVE the fact that you live every waking minute of your life knowing that part of that weekly paycheck you get for breaking your back scrubbing toilets and mopping floors goes into the pockets of people you hate and despise so virulently.

And I also LOVE the fact that you keep on providing me with endless opportunities to remind you of it and rub your face in it.

Stupid peckerwood!!!!



I could buy and sell you, trailer trash punk.

Just STFU and pay your taxes.

Them welfare mothers need more of your money!!!!!

Loopholes aren't written into laws. Laws are written with an intended purpose. Someone using that law in a manner not intended by the law is using a loophole. Think of it like social welfare. General welfare wasn't written with that intention yet you bleeding hearts that claim to care so much yet believe someone else should do the paying use it that way.

Sorry, boy, you don't get to dictate my morals. Mine are just fine. I meet the responsibility I have to my family. It isn't mine to meet it for someone unwilling to do so. Claiming they can't is simply an excuse you left wing pieces of shit use to avoid holding those not doing their job responsible for failing to do it. If they spent 1/4 the time trying to better themselves as they do making excuses about why they can't, imagine where they and the country would be.


You can't buy a sell the typical nigger much less a white man that is your superior. I bought and sold your mother until the day that bitch died. Live knowing that, son.

Shut me up if you're man enough. We both know you're not or you would have tried to take the guns you say I own but when expected ran like a motherfucking pussy with the excuse of "you don't have any".

Those welfare mothers want someone else's money because the freeloaders refuse to do even the most basic things for their kids. Talk about lack of morals. They have none when they refuse to do even for their own.

 

[Nomad]

Loopholes aren't written into laws. Laws are written with an intended purpose. Someone using that law in a manner not intended by the law is using a loophole. Think of it like social welfare. General welfare wasn't written with that intention yet you bleeding hearts that claim to care so much yet believe someone else should do the paying use it that way.

Sorry, boy, you don't get to dictate my morals. Mine are just fine. I meet the responsibility I have to my family. It isn't mine to meet it for someone unwilling to do so. Claiming they can't is simply an excuse you left wing pieces of shit use to avoid holding those not doing their job responsible for failing to do it. If they spent 1/4 the time trying to better themselves as they do making excuses about why they can't, imagine where they and the country would be.


You can't buy a sell the typical nigger much less a white man that is your superior. I bought and sold your mother until the day that bitch died. Live knowing that, son.

Shut me up if you're man enough. We both know you're not or you would have tried to take the guns you say I own but when expected ran like a motherfucking pussy with the excuse of "you don't have any".

Those welfare mothers want someone else's money because the freeloaders refuse to do even the most basic things for their kids. Talk about lack of morals. They have none when they refuse to do even for their own.

Poor ol loser redneck trash!!! Look at how easily he's driven into a spitting rage....

Why don't you just do society and yourself a favor....

Sorry ass peckerwood trash.

 

[CFM]

Poor ol loser redneck trash!!! Look at how easily he's driven into a spitting rage....

Why don't you just do society and yourself a favor....

Sorry ass peckerwood trash.

I do society a favor every day. I try to educate morons like you that continue to refuse to learn.

However, if you're man enough, why don't you try it yourself. I know there isn't anything to worry about there since you won't try to take the guns you acknowledged I own despite being offered the challenge of doing so.

Worthless nigger.