SmarterthanYou
rebel
1984 was a book, not a blueprint.
5 ways to tell if you're a Libertarian
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1984 was a book, not a blueprint.
1984 was written by someone who believed in angels, I take it, or who was going to watch all those people full-time? What it's got to do with your fantasies about 'liberty' is not clear. People are enslaved, as you know, by pure economics and lies.
Just a right wing primer.
Real libertarians don't think Ayn Rand was a great writer, but they didn't read her until after their teenage years so they were mature enough to understand her. The ones who outgrow it are those who resent the success of others.
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Any outgrew her own teachings, she needed Medicare and Social Security when she became sick. Isn’t it ironic.
cawacko
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How is it ironic when you are forced to pay into it?
Had she been free to invest that money rather than pay it in payroll taxes she would have had much more than the $11,000 in Social Security she collected over eight years.
She did address the issue in the essay "The Question of Scholarships":
"It is morally defensible for those who decry publicly-funded scholarships, Social Security benefits, and unemployment insurance to turn around and accept them, Rand argued, because the government had taken money from them by force (via taxes). There’s only one catch: the recipient must regard the receipt of said benefits as restitution, not a social entitlement."
I'm not that big a Rand fan, but a person's personal behavior does not negate the value of their ideas. I think a person should exercise and eat healthy, but I don't always do it. That doesn't mean it is not a good practice.
Lol, so it’s how you think of them, if you call them restitution then it’s okay.
She should have just sold more books.
cawacko
Well-known member
Rana isn't the only one who attacks Rand this way. It's like you said are her ideas all of a sudden not validated because of how the system is set up? They don't her like her writing or her ideas so this is how they try and discredit her
It may make her somewhat hypocritical, but it proves she is right--when "free" government money is available we are all going to take advantage of those funds. Greed is present among socialists as well as capitalists.
why should libertarians (small l), be ok with individuals in states violating the Non-Aggression Principle?
What's ironic about using something to which you were required to contribute?
Irony is a welfare recipient demanding someone else's money come to them yet do not pay into the pot which funds it.
That you put free in quotes means you realize it isn't free. If you pay into the pot from which you later draw, it's not hypocritical because you paid into it. If you don't pay into the pot from which you draw and demand others be forced to fund that pot so you can have something, it is.
If anything is ironic it's the social welfare recipient receiving something from the pot to which they provide no funding while demanding others pay a fair share in taxes to fund it.
But not when compared to liberals and conservatives.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
your hatred and distrust of people has made you an evil traitorous racist.
Not necessarily. Those that tend to collect more than they put in are the lowest wage earners. I ran some numbers using the SS quick calculator. The age of the hypothetical person was 65, the DOB was the same and the retirement date was the same. The difference was the current year earnings. The $25,000 earner would receive $851/month while the $100,000 earner would get $2008/month. I'm curious as to why the higher earner isn't getting 4x that of the lower earner. Why isn't it either $851/$3404 or $502/$2008?