A CASE FOR REPARATIONS!

[Triplelefthook]

THANK YOU! Now, what else precisely do you want to discuss?

Was curious on your thoughts of the Trump administration and if they have done things to make things better for black people in America:

First Step Act, the Opportunity Zones, restoring funding for black colleges, decrease in the country's poverty rate and a growing economy, a decreasing unemployment rate among Black Americans. I feel like these are steps in the right direction.

In a slight detour to that - War on Poverty initiatives in 1968, largely a Liberal initiative, arguably contributed more negatively to the Black community than anything the conservatives have done (argued most vehemently by Thomas Sowell but also others). These welfare programs incentivized single black mothers to become "married to the state" rather than the fathers and contributed to more broken homes than ever before.

Is the way forward under a Trump administration rather than a Liberal one?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Who benefits most from the following? I'll tell you. Private corporations and business............we are not asking for checks were asking for equality.

Eliminate the for profit prison industrial complex
Eliminate the cash bail system
Eliminate Check the box for housing
Eliminate Redlining in housing
Eliminate Check the box for employment
Eliminate Background checks for employment
Eliminate Bias's in Financial Institutions with low cost, low interest rate loans
Eliminate Voting restriction
Eliminate the Electoral College
Eliminate the Death Penalty
Eliminate Police Unions
Eliminate Racist laws such as sagging pants, loitering, skateboarding etc.
Eliminate Racial segregation laws
Revise and Revamp the ENTIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM hold racist departments, individual kops and the Justice Department accountable.
Revise and Revamp the ENTIRE JUDICIAL SYSTEM Hold racist Judges, DA's, Prosecutors, etc accountable.
Free Healthcare
Free Education
Raise the minimum wage to at lest 25.00 hr.

I could go through that list and demolish your statements pretty thoroughly but I don't think it's worth my time.

Ah, what the hell...

Eliminate the for profit prison industrial complex

So, eliminating prison work programs hum? This will only increase recidivism as inmates have fewer opportunities for useful, paid work. It will make their lives worse in many cases as it reduces their access to funds for things like prison commissary that rolls their profit back into inmate programs like recreation.

Eliminate the cash bail system

So, are you saying that everyone arrested should just stay in jail while awaiting trial? That would be not only costly but for most accused it reduces their ability to defend themselves against the charges.

Eliminate Check the box for housing

I'm not quite sure what this means. Do you mean being homeless and trying to get employed? I'll leave that for later because you aren't clear.

Eliminate Redlining in housing

That has already largely, if not entirely, occurred.

Eliminate Check the box for employment

Again, this is not clear as to intent and meaning.

Eliminate Background checks for employment

So, you don't mind if say a person that has committed securities and stock frauds gets hired at a brokerage? You don't mind if teachers or daycare workers are child molesters? It's perfectly acceptable to you that someone who has committed theft gets employed at a bank then... There's a reason for background checks.

Eliminate Bias's in Financial Institutions with low cost, low interest rate loans

Like what, credit scores? There's a reason losers can't get good loans at low interest and that's because they have a history of not paying them back.

Eliminate Voting restriction

So, should children be able to vote? How about the mentally incompetent? You're good with prisoners in prison voting?

Eliminate the Electoral College

So we get more mob rule hum? Great... Just 7 states would matter and the rest get kicked to the curb. Better we eliminate "winner take all" electoral college voting assignment by states. That would apportion electoral college votes by the state popular vote. Of course, the Democrats would never go for that since it means not being able to win a presidential election for the foreseeable future if it happened. Only one party wants a straight popular vote because they think it will benefit them, not the nation. Not a good idea.

Eliminate the Death Penalty

Okay, on moral grounds this works, on rational grounds it's idiotic. How many life without parole sentences can a truly vile inmate rack up while killing and injuring other inmates and guards in prison before it's too many? Do those people's lives not count?

Eliminate Police Unions

But no other unions hum? Why just police unions?

Eliminate Racist laws such as sagging pants, loitering, skateboarding etc.

How are these "racist?"

Eliminate Racial segregation laws

Like separate Black graduations at colleges because Blacks want a separate one? However, America has eliminated this sort of law, even if the Left is now trying to bring them back.

Revise and Revamp the ENTIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM hold racist departments, individual kops and the Justice Department accountable.

Could you give some details on your proposal?

Revise and Revamp the ENTIRE JUDICIAL SYSTEM Hold racist Judges, DA's, Prosecutors, etc accountable.

Same thing. Details needed.

Free Healthcare

So, doctors, nurses, drug companies will work for free? Do utilities provide hospitals free power? How exactly does this work? Or, do you mean free to you and somebody else is paying the tab?

Free Education

Same thing as "free healthcare."

Raise the minimum wage to at lest 25.00 hr.

There was a company that gave all its workers a minimum salary of $70,000 a year.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-price-minimum-wage_n_5afd3d8ee4b06a3fb50dcf28

The best and most valuable workers quit because they felt undervalued. The least productive were no more productive after getting a huge raise. Unless you are somehow worth $25 an hour, all you do is raise wages and prices across the board until that wage is as low and worthless as you are unproductive at the low end of the wage scale.

 

[TTQ64]

Stop picking a fight, as I said nothing against the elimination of cash bail...that is a semi-separate issue. And as the old saying goes, you damned sure better know how your enemy works and count the bodies. Like I keep saying, this has to pass Congress before ANYTHING is done. You and I might just live to see some form of reparations to pass...it probably won't be what either of us want entirely, but in the end it will be a start.

You and I might just live to see some form of reparations to pass...it probably won't be what either of us want entirely

Picking a fight? WTF? I'm discussing a form of reparation that would be acceptable instead of issuing out a check ............which is what racist whites think we want.

I'm not sure what you would want for reparations, but clearly it's not what Black Americans want. Blaming congress is an excuse.

If you don't agree with the list, then say that.........stop making excuses or why it can't happen.

The things on the list are relatively low or no cost. They benefit private organizations who profit off oppression.

If congress wont pass them, then vote for a congress who will.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Stop picking a fight, as I said nothing against the elimination of cash bail...that is a semi-separate issue. And as the old saying goes, you damned sure better know how your enemy works and count the bodies. Like I keep saying, this has to pass Congress before ANYTHING is done. You and I might just live to see some form of reparations to pass...it probably won't be what either of us want entirely, but in the end it will be a start.

You and I might just live to see some form of reparations to pass...it probably won't be what either of us want entirely

Picking a fight? WTF? I'm discussing a form of reparation that would be acceptable instead of issuing out a check ............which is what racist whites think we want.

I'm not sure what you would want for reparations, but clearly it's not what Black Americans want. Blaming congress is an excuse.

If you don't agree with the list, then say that.........stop making excuses or why it can't happen.

The things on the list are relatively low or no cost. They benefit private organizations who profit off oppression.

If congress wont pass them, then vote for a congress who will.

Let me be clear.....I know what the alt right propaganda is about what we want.....I'm am discussing what has the best case scenario to get some type of reparation legislation passed...remember, the alt right/congenital racists and bigots in America don't even want to acknowledge the historic reality of the reparations question, let alone have any form of it become reality.

And yes, you are picking a fight....because right here you take this stance that YOU know exactly what ALL black Americans want. Cleary, given that you've had black folk across the nation and from various stations in life (activists, politicians, etc.) push for this for DECADES, it's obvious you don't have a clear basis to stand on claiming such.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...A-CASE-FOR-REPARATIONS!&p=3734422#post3734422

Now go back and read carefully and comprehensively what I wrote in my last response....I make no "excuses" and just point out that the vast majority of your list has been on the docket of black folk and our leadership/advocates practically forever. If you still don't get it, then let me state plainly I SUPPORT THE LIST AND ALWAYS HAVE IN MY LIFETIME.

Now you accuse me of making an excuse of "blaming Congress". That's not an excuse, that is a reality. You them point out that people need to vote out those who are against our justified agenda and vote in those who support it. No shyte?!!?? People have been trying to do that before you or I were born. Like I said, Congress is the stumbling block, and as things go, I may see a significant change for the better in my lifetime. Time will tell...that's just reality.

So knock off this zero tolerance "my way or the highway" guff, read carefully and comprehensively what people write. Less tension for all concerned.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
THANK YOU! Now, what else precisely do you want to discuss?

Was curious on your thoughts of the Trump administration and if they have done things to make things better for black people in America:

First Step Act, the Opportunity Zones, restoring funding for black colleges, decrease in the country's poverty rate and a growing economy, a decreasing unemployment rate among Black Americans. I feel like these are steps in the right direction.

In a slight detour to that - War on Poverty initiatives in 1968, largely a Liberal initiative, arguably contributed more negatively to the Black community than anything the conservatives have done (argued most vehemently by Thomas Sowell but also others). These welfare programs incentivized single black mothers to become "married to the state" rather than the fathers and contributed to more broken homes than ever before.

Is the way forward under a Trump administration rather than a Liberal one?

When Dump isn't out right lying about his role in anything, he loves to exaggerate....case in point https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/aug/01/donald-trump-said-hes-done-more-african-americans-/

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/01/trump-takes-undue-credit-black-unemployment/

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/11/job-openings-bunk/

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trump-touts-strong-jobs-report-flubs-some-facts/


No President Trump, Obama’s Economic Recovery Was Not A Con Job

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckj...omic-recovery-was-not-a-con-job/#4eef909a5e62


As for your "detour" featuring the darling token of conservative think tanks Thomas Sowell, let's just pull out one factual leg from under his table:

..., Sowell attacked President Johnson’s “War on Poverty,” saying, “. . . it is painfully clear that there is more dependency than ever.” Well, yes, there are about 46 million Americans living in poverty now, compared to 40 million in the 1960s, but oops, there’s something Sowell “forgot.” Our population has grown by another 123 million people since then, making our current poverty rate much lower, even after the Great Recession.

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-d...on-columnists/beware-sowells-fact-free-rants/

 

[cawacko]

Ahh, but here's the thing....the opposition's basic whine is that you just can't get a check because you're a black American citizen who can trace your family tree to your great-grandfather. They include black folk who are 2nd or 3rd generation descendants of recent immigrants, etc. etc.

What I referring to is a systematic, logical approach that eliminates those arguments. Mind you, it doesn't affect every black American, (and I doubt it will pass Congress) but it does affect enough people to make the case that (once again) non-apologetic largesse based in part on racism is real and should be shared. It can happen....case in point
https://apnews.com/fdc364f22ee64a8eafc6e241edfdd886

From a who qualifies perspective my brother-in-law is black. He's actually mixed race with his father from Trindad Tobago and his mother a white Canadian. My B-I-L was born in Canada and although he grew up in the U.S. is still going through the process of becoming an American citizen. So he's not African American as I understand how we define the term but he is black.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Ahh, but here's the thing....the opposition's basic whine is that you just can't get a check because you're a black American citizen who can trace your family tree to your great-grandfather. They include black folk who are 2nd or 3rd generation descendants of recent immigrants, etc. etc.

What I referring to is a systematic, logical approach that eliminates those arguments. Mind you, it doesn't affect every black American, (and I doubt it will pass Congress) but it does affect enough people to make the case that (once again) non-apologetic largesse based in part on racism is real and should be shared. It can happen....case in point
https://apnews.com/fdc364f22ee64a8eafc6e241edfdd886

From a who qualifies perspective my brother-in-law is black. He's actually mixed race with his father from Trindad Tobago and his mother a white Canadian. My B-I-L was born in Canada and although he grew up in the U.S. is still going through the process of becoming an American citizen. So he's not African American as I understand how we define the term but he is black.

So? If under the proposal he couldn't trace his ancestry to American slaves being owned by a business or company that currently exists today, he wouldn't qualify. End of story.

 

[cawacko]

So? If under the proposal he couldn't trace his ancestry to American slaves being owned by a business or company that currently exists today, he wouldn't qualify. End of story.

I haven't read the full thread I just saw the discussion over who would quality and my B-I-L came to mind.

 

[Tacomaman]

I would totally support some type of compensation to the actual slaves themselves. Other than that, I am a resounding "No".

The problems that such an effort would create would far outweigh any possible gains.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
So? If under the proposal he couldn't trace his ancestry to American slaves being owned by a business or company that currently exists today, he wouldn't qualify. End of story.

I haven't read the full thread I just saw the discussion over who would quality and my B-I-L came to mind.

Understood....didn't mean to come off abrupt and all.

 

[Taichiliberal]

I would totally support some type of compensation to the actual slaves themselves. Other than that, I am a resounding "No".

The problems that such an effort would create would far outweigh any possible gains.

"actual slaves themselves"? I think they all died out by now. Any "changes" in the American system/psyche that deals with it legacy of slavery causes "problems"...resistance by the powers that be, etc. We as a country survived before, we can do it again.

 

[Triplelefthook]

When Dump isn't out right lying about his role in anything, he loves to exaggerate....case in point https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/aug/01/donald-trump-said-hes-done-more-african-americans-/

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/01/trump-takes-undue-credit-black-unemployment/

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/11/job-openings-bunk/

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trump-touts-strong-jobs-report-flubs-some-facts/


No President Trump, Obama’s Economic Recovery Was Not A Con Job

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckj...omic-recovery-was-not-a-con-job/#4eef909a5e62


As for your "detour" featuring the darling token of conservative think tanks Thomas Sowell, let's just pull out one factual leg from under his table:

..., Sowell attacked President Johnson’s “War on Poverty,” saying, “. . . it is painfully clear that there is more dependency than ever.” Well, yes, there are about 46 million Americans living in poverty now, compared to 40 million in the 1960s, but oops, there’s something Sowell “forgot.” Our population has grown by another 123 million people since then, making our current poverty rate much lower, even after the Great Recession.

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-d...on-columnists/beware-sowells-fact-free-rants/

Exaggerate, sure? But where is he lying about any of those initiatives and laws that were passed under his tenure as President? All of which help the African-American communities.

Is it going to be better under Biden? How similar to Obama will he be as President? Obama was arguably a disaster for Black people in America.

And in terms of the poverty levels - I agree they have been going down, and they have been going down under Donald Trump. The poverty levels for African-Americans has been going down as well under Trump. Do you not think that has been a positive under his Presidency?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
When Dump isn't out right lying about his role in anything, he loves to exaggerate....case in point https://www.politifact.com/article/2...an-americans-/

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/01/tr...-unemployment/

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/11/job-openings-bunk/

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/tr...bs-some-facts/


No President Trump, Obama’s Economic Recovery Was Not A Con Job

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#4eef909a5e62


As for your "detour" featuring the darling token of conservative think tanks Thomas Sowell, let's just pull out one factual leg from under his table:

..., Sowell attacked President Johnson’s “War on Poverty,” saying, “. . . it is painfully clear that there is more dependency than ever.” Well, yes, there are about 46 million Americans living in poverty now, compared to 40 million in the 1960s, but oops, there’s something Sowell “forgot.” Our population has grown by another 123 million people since then, making our current poverty rate much lower, even after the Great Recession.

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr...ct-free-rants/

Exaggerate, sure? But where is he lying about any of those initiatives and laws that were passed under his tenure as President? All of which help the African-American communities.

Is it going to be better under Biden? How similar to Obama will he be as President? Obama was arguably a disaster for Black people in America.

And in terms of the poverty levels - I agree they have been going down, and they have been going down under Donald Trump. The poverty levels for African-Americans has been going down as well under Trump. Do you not think that has been a positive under his Presidency?

Your first paragraph: If you acknowledge exaggerations, then why are you trying to conflate lying with it on all points. Let me explain further to you: Trump can do something positive, BUT he will exaggerate the effectiveness of his actions. He LIES when he makes claims of creating what was really done before him or exceeding past endeavors by others. Capice'? Try actually reading the information contained in my links next time, as I tire of repeating myself.

Your second sentence is a typical right wing wonk dodge.....making speculation coupled with a declaration that is easily disproved. I challenge TripleLeftHook to factually and logically disprove any point in this link: http://www.communityvoiceks.com/new...cle_46355130-cb82-11e5-b01e-bf870e6bc6f3.html

And here's how typical right wing wonkism is dismantled on the net: https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ump-facebook-ad-distorts-obamas-words-about-/

And your last paragraph essentially denies what was laid out in the link I provided. That is another brain dead right wing wonk tactic....lie, deny, repeat. But do keep it coming.....the readers can forward your insipidly stubborn failures for all to see.

 

[Triplelefthook]

Your first paragraph: If you acknowledge exaggerations, then why are you trying to conflate lying with it on all points. Let me explain further to you: Trump can do something positive, BUT he will exaggerate the effectiveness of his actions. He LIES when he makes claims of creating what was really done before him or exceeding past endeavors by others. Capice'? Try actually reading the information contained in my links next time, as I tire of repeating myself.

Your second sentence is a typical right wing wonk dodge.....making speculation coupled with a declaration that is easily disproved. I challenge TripleLeftHook to factually and logically disprove any point in this link: http://www.communityvoiceks.com/new...cle_46355130-cb82-11e5-b01e-bf870e6bc6f3.html

And here's how typical right wing wonkism is dismantled on the net: https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ump-facebook-ad-distorts-obamas-words-about-/

And your last paragraph essentially denies what was laid out in the link I provided. That is another brain dead right wing wonk tactic....lie, deny, repeat. But do keep it coming.....the readers can forward your insipidly stubborn failures for all to see.

Exaggerations? How about ginning up ethnic grievances for short-term political gain? Obama's hand is evident in the psychotic deluded outbursts on the street today.

Did Obama have to pose with a glass of Flint water even after it was known the problem wasn't fully solved??

Start with that.....then we will take each other issue apart one at a time.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Your first paragraph: If you acknowledge exaggerations, then why are you trying to conflate lying with it on all points. Let me explain further to you: Trump can do something positive, BUT he will exaggerate the effectiveness of his actions. He LIES when he makes claims of creating what was really done before him or exceeding past endeavors by others. Capice'? Try actually reading the information contained in my links next time, as I tire of repeating myself.

Your second sentence is a typical right wing wonk dodge.....making speculation coupled with a declaration that is easily disproved. I challenge TripleLeftHook to factually and logically disprove any point in this link: http://www.communityvoiceks.com/news...70e6bc6f3.html

And here's how typical right wing wonkism is dismantled on the net: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-words-about-/

And your last paragraph essentially denies what was laid out in the link I provided. That is another brain dead right wing wonk tactic....lie, deny, repeat. But do keep it coming.....the readers can forward your insipidly stubborn failures for all to see.

1. Exaggerations? How about ginning up ethnic grievances for short-term political gain? Obama's hand is evident in the psychotic deluded outbursts on the street today.

2. Did Obama have to pose with a glass of Flint water even after it was known the problem wasn't fully solved??

3. Start with that.....then we will take each other issue apart one at a time.

And as the chronology of the posts shows, when directly challenged on specific points, right wing wonks just ignore what they can't disprove and then double down with more accusations. As we see here, TripleLeftHook NOW zeros in on two incidences of the Obama administration in order say that they were indicative of his ENTIRE 8 years. Let's make short work of this (I've numbered TLH's accusations accordingly:

1. The conservative peanut gallery and right wing wonks keep regurgitating this vague, generalized mantra. But when put on the carpet to provide no-uncertain-terms examples, they don't bear up under close examination. I challenge TLH to provide proof. The reading audience awaits.

2. Yes. One of several serious bad moves he did in his 8 years that I did not agree with. Mike Moore says it best.https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...r-crisis-michael-moore-barack-obama/83940370/ But this does NOT prove your contention of 8 years of consistent disasters.

3. Did and done. Now it's your turn. Get crack'in … I'll wait.

 

[Triplelefthook]

And as the chronology of the posts shows, when directly challenged on specific points, right wing wonks just ignore what they can't disprove and then double down with more accusations. As we see here, TripleLeftHook NOW zeros in on two incidences of the Obama administration in order say that they were indicative of his ENTIRE 8 years. Let's make short work of this (I've numbered TLH's accusations accordingly:

1. The conservative peanut gallery and right wing wonks keep regurgitating this vague, generalized mantra. But when put on the carpet to provide no-uncertain-terms examples, they don't bear up under close examination. I challenge TLH to provide proof. The reading audience awaits.

2. Yes. One of several serious bad moves he did in his 8 years that I did not agree with. Mike Moore says it best.https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...r-crisis-michael-moore-barack-obama/83940370/ But this does NOT prove your contention of 8 years of consistent disasters.

3. Did and done. Now it's your turn. Get crack'in … I'll wait.

Hang on a second here.........there's nothing MORE consistent than the ginning up of ethnic grievances to the detriment of real improvement so much so as that the Dems LOSE the House, LOSE the Senate and then LOSE THE LOT in 2016.........so that Racist "Shithole Countries" Trump takes the Big House.
Either Trump is a disaster for the USA or he is not. If he is........then ask how he got there. Obama put him there. He threw a pass to Hillary that she had NO CHANCE of collecting because the trend of expectation had been warped.

The rest is just examples or nodes along the way.

Where do you want to start?

Obama fired up every "Known" economic stimulus but growth just wouldn't rise above 2%. Why? Nobody trusted him. He didn't engender confidence. That hurts the people at the very lowest end of the spectrum- namely the Black community. He did nothing about the impending dispossession crisis that followed the collapse in the housing market. He didn't cause the collapse but he went along with it thereafter and again, the very lowest suffered the greatest.

He went on the record as taking credit for the increase in domestic oil production despite his own red-tape policies designed to drive these things down. If Trump did that you'd shit your pants.

But there's something else about the guy. He is fundamentally uncelebratory of the United States. He'd always be on the look out for some cheap stunt whereby he could do the place down. Clock Boy. A clear instance of opportunistic gaming of the system by a pack of immigrant America-Haters. They should have been destroyed instead they were invited to the White House to put the boot in on live TV.

"The Police are Stupid". ......see now how that comment "The Police are Stupid".......has fed into the current madness which is doing NOTHING to help the Black community. Instead, he ginned it right up until we got people basically going around telling everyone that Black Americans are essentially in a cross-hairs of relentless butchery orchestrated by the Cops. Always a victim.

That's where the focus really should lie......the guy was- IS- a driving force behind sentiments which are fundamentally damnatory of the United States and that affects and has always affected those at the bottom more and first.

 

[Triplelefthook]

And i thought I was "on notice"

 

[Triplelefthook]

Obama Grade Card

Russia: Fail
Iran: Fail
China: Fail
USA: Fail


That's a fail, Barry.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And as the chronology of the posts shows, when directly challenged on specific points, right wing wonks just ignore what they can't disprove and then double down with more accusations. As we see here, TripleLeftHook NOW zeros in on two incidences of the Obama administration in order say that they were indicative of his ENTIRE 8 years. Let's make short work of this (I've numbered TLH's accusations accordingly:

1. The conservative peanut gallery and right wing wonks keep regurgitating this vague, generalized mantra. But when put on the carpet to provide no-uncertain-terms examples, they don't bear up under close examination. I challenge TLH to provide proof. The reading audience awaits.

2. Yes. One of several serious bad moves he did in his 8 years that I did not agree with. Mike Moore says it best.https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...bama/83940370/ But this does NOT prove your contention of 8 years of consistent disasters.

3. Did and done. Now it's your turn. Get crack'in … I'll wait.

Hang on a second here.........there's nothing MORE consistent than the ginning up of ethnic grievances to the detriment of real improvement so much so as that the Dems LOSE the House, LOSE the Senate and then LOSE THE LOT in 2016.........so that Racist "Shithole Countries" Trump takes the Big House.
Either Trump is a disaster for the USA or he is not. If he is........then ask how he got there. Obama put him there. He threw a pass to Hillary that she had NO CHANCE of collecting because the trend of expectation had been warped.

The rest is just examples or nodes along the way.

Where do you want to start?

Obama fired up every "Known" economic stimulus but growth just wouldn't rise above 2%. Why? Nobody trusted him. He didn't engender confidence. That hurts the people at the very lowest end of the spectrum- namely the Black community. He did nothing about the impending dispossession crisis that followed the collapse in the housing market. He didn't cause the collapse but he went along with it thereafter and again, the very lowest suffered the greatest.

He went on the record as taking credit for the increase in domestic oil production despite his own red-tape policies designed to drive these things down. If Trump did that you'd shit your pants.

But there's something else about the guy. He is fundamentally uncelebratory of the United States. He'd always be on the look out for some cheap stunt whereby he could do the place down. Clock Boy. A clear instance of opportunistic gaming of the system by a pack of immigrant America-Haters. They should have been destroyed instead they were invited to the White House to put the boot in on live TV.

"The Police are Stupid". ......see now how that comment "The Police are Stupid".......has fed into the current madness which is doing NOTHING to help the Black community. Instead, he ginned it right up until we got people basically going around telling everyone that Black Americans are essentially in a cross-hairs of relentless butchery orchestrated by the Cops. Always a victim.

That's where the focus really should lie......the guy was- IS- a driving force behind sentiments which are fundamentally damnatory of the United States and that affects and has always affected those at the bottom more and first.

First, here's the original exchange https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...A-CASE-FOR-REPARATIONS!&p=3745876#post3745876

~ Your first response here is pure unadulterated horse manure. I mean, Obama is responsible for Dump's election? Really? Obama controlled the DNC and manipulated the key votes in California? Only the most fantastic display of convoluted logic, supposition and conjecture could try and prove that one...and you sure do shovel it!

~ Case in point; Obama commenting on the stupid rookie actions of the cops that arrested famed and celebrated historian Gates Jr. in his own home. Jokers of your mindset were bent out of shape since a black man was elected to the White House … TWICE! His just waking up in the White House was an abuse of power by a subversive anti-American racists, according to the pundits and peanut gallery. And God forbid he actually comments on what's going on in society. But unlike the Orange Oaf you'd walk off a cliff for, Obama showed class in dealing with the fallout of his commentary: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...er-summit-and-racial-division-in-america.html I have YET to hear Dump admit he was wrong on ANYTHING on ANY level.

~ Case in point: you parrot a tired lies and Dump's exaggerations about the economy. Facts do support you, toodles: https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy

~ As for the oil prices, Obama's just as guilty of exaggeration as the next president, but as always, things were not totally as you say https://www.factcheck.org/2018/11/obamas-misleading-oil-boast/

Bottom line: you're shadow boxing, and your triple left hook is just moving a lot of bigoted, right wing wonkish smoke. Carry on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Obama Grade Card

Russia: Fail
Iran: Fail
China: Fail
USA: Fail


That's a fail, Barry.

My, my, my.....bitter little bigots still having their asses burned by a black man that whupped them twice fair and square...and then saved the country from the spiral created by the Shrub's version of Reaganomics on steroids. A matter of fact, a matter of history. Nixon, the Bush Crime family, and lateral assist from Slick Willy and now Dump....yeah, winners all. Obama was not saint and far from perfect, but regurgitating failed GOP campaign propaganda doesn't cut.

Back to the OP at hand....my posts on this matter pretty much stand valid. To date, no right wing wonk can logically put them down. Carry on.