A CASE FOR REPARATIONS!

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you have a reading problem? WTF have I said several times now? I've highlighted it in the previous response....hopefully, you'll comprehend it. What YOU are doing is pandering to the willfully ignorant bigotry in America by those who see any attempt by black people to get the compensation once promised to them and their ancestors as "getting something for nothing". Hell, you got white folk STILL bitching about losing the Civil War, even to the point of arming themselves to defend a freak'in statue.

Like it or not, the government created and run by people who look just like you made promises to blacks and Native Americans that they reneged on or just screwed the people over. The Japanese finally got some reparations for unjust internment....the relatively few black Americans are just asking for what their recent ancestors should have gotten for making this country possible through a century or two of free labor under the guise of non-humans. They may not get it in my lifetime, but folk like you won't get away with glossing over the reasons why this is an issue.

Ok. Well, have fun tilting at this windmill then.

Typical response expected from the yahoos of the alt right who show up with guns to defend a statue. Or run over people because they have the audacity to protest against rogue cops killing innocent black folk and the police community protecting them. You did see the multitudes in the peaceful (not riots) protests across the nation or in European countries, right?

Later, junior....sleep tight.

 

[Saudade]

you don't "see" a lot of things due to the willful ignorance born of a prejudice that "those people are whining again, always wanting something for nothing". You've tried six ways to Sunday to totally dismiss the very premise of reparations....I've just taken you to task to logically show you can't do it. Now, I've laid out a rational way to approach this and acknowledged that it probably won't happen in my lifetime (Congress and all)….but that's no green light for your white wash (no pun intended) of the situation.

And spare us all this BS about changing the past....no one is trying to do that....folk are just trying to get jokers like you to ACKNOWLEDGE how the past affects the future. Like I said, jokers like you are still fighting the Civil War on some level or other....and that's over 150 years old. The law that reaffirmed my rights as an American born citizen to go to any school my parents could afford (if I had the grades) is only 4 years older than I. The last vestiges of Jim Crow ended in the mid to late 1960's. Had reparations not been rescinded, the aforementioned may and probably wouldn't have occurred.

And since I deconstructed your "not my wallet" baloney, you've got nothing but stubborn parroting left....of which I won't waste time on. Let me know if you've got a new angle and I'll respond.

Oh, and if you talk the talk, you get the label....when guys like quit with this lame and re-hashed David Duke-ish "intellectual" approach, you won't get the label. Carry on.

Well, I appreciate your honesty. You're very straightforward in your lack of interest in hearing any viewpoints other than your own, so I'll save you time in the future from here on. Say hello to my ignore list.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You do realize that unfair practice has to stop, right? You do realize that you and I have been picking up the tab for reaganomics for 30 years, right? Also, for corporations to set up shop off shore, right? Or for "too big to fail banks, right? I don't here you complaining about those little tidbits, but reparations are just beyond the pale for you. I wonder why?

I do complain about bailouts actually. I'm against them in every case.

Ahh, so you do think that on one level corporations should pay their fare share to the people and that reaganomics has screwed us all for 30 years. So if I prove this corporation built it's largesse on the backs of my ancestors, and Congress approves it, why shouldn't they pay me the equivalent of 40 acres and a mule? It won't kill them, ya know.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
you don't "see" a lot of things due to the willful ignorance born of a prejudice that "those people are whining again, always wanting something for nothing". You've tried six ways to Sunday to totally dismiss the very premise of reparations....I've just taken you to task to logically show you can't do it. Now, I've laid out a rational way to approach this and acknowledged that it probably won't happen in my lifetime (Congress and all)….but that's no green light for your white wash (no pun intended) of the situation.

And spare us all this BS about changing the past....no one is trying to do that....folk are just trying to get jokers like you to ACKNOWLEDGE how the past affects the future. Like I said, jokers like you are still fighting the Civil War on some level or other....and that's over 150 years old. The law that reaffirmed my rights as an American born citizen to go to any school my parents could afford (if I had the grades) is only 4 years older than I. The last vestiges of Jim Crow ended in the mid to late 1960's. Had reparations not been rescinded, the aforementioned may and probably wouldn't have occurred.

And since I deconstructed your "not my wallet" baloney, you've got nothing but stubborn parroting left....of which I won't waste time on. Let me know if you've got a new angle and I'll respond.

Oh, and if you talk the talk, you get the label....when guys like quit with this lame and re-hashed David Duke-ish "intellectual" approach, you won't get the label. Carry on.

Well, I appreciate your honesty. You're very straightforward in your lack of interest in hearing any viewpoints other than your own, so I'll save you time in the future from here on. Say hello to my ignore list.

How stupid is Woko to say this after I went toe to toe with him for an hour? Clearly, he's pissed that he couldn't logically support his bigot driven drivel, so he cops out with a lie. Typical intellectually dishonest alt right wonk. Another one bites the dust.

 

[Triplelefthook]

People need an excuse for why and how 50 years of Liberal BS has left them high and dry with nothing to show for it.

These communities are no more impoverished than the Okies who went West straight into the worst working conditions known in the United States since Slavery.

So do their descendants also deserve some form of reparations? A lesser form?

50 years worth of excuse making BS by the people who are supposed to look out for them and now no longer need them.

 

[TTQ64]

Lets put issuing a check aside.

What about the reparations of equality I listed in the beginning of the post.

Those issues can be attributed to all Black americans without having corporations cut a check.

 

[Mason Melchizedek]

Lets put issuing a check aside.

What about the reparations of equality I listed in the beginning of the post.

Those issues can be attributed to all Black americans without having corporations cut a check.

Not going to happen

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Time to bump this thread and see if white people really stand with or really understand where Blacks are coming from.

Will the talk of reparations go to far for them?

yeah reparations arent happening.

 

[Taichiliberal]

People need an excuse for why and how 50 years of Liberal BS has left them high and dry with nothing to show for it.

These communities are no more impoverished than the Okies who went West straight into the worst working conditions known in the United States since Slavery.

So do their descendants also deserve some form of reparations? A lesser form?

50 years worth of excuse making BS by the people who are supposed to look out for them and now no longer need them.

In those 50 years, we've had 6 years of Nixon, 2 years of Ford, 8 years of Reagan, a total of 12 years of the Bush family, and now the current con man in the White House...and when he's out you'll have 32 of those 50 years under conservative Republican leadership. So right off the bat you're off by 18 years....which invalidates the rest of your tirade.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Lets put issuing a check aside.

What about the reparations of equality I listed in the beginning of the post.

Those issues can be attributed to all Black americans without having corporations cut a check.

This is true....but those would require a HELL of a lot more efforts in different venues to pull off, I think. Essentially, the SOS this country has been going through since the Civil Rights marches in the 1960's. A pain in the butt either way.

 

[TTQ64]

This is true....but those would require a HELL of a lot more efforts in different venues to pull off, I think. Essentially, the SOS this country has been going through since the Civil Rights marches in the 1960's. A pain in the butt either way.

The effort of "proving" anything is still exclusive.

ALL BLACK AMERICANS face the same oppression and discrimination. Blacks built this entire country it would be a much bigger effort to try to trace ancestry than to eliminate cash bail.


No offense, but it seems as if you are saying prove your ancestors were slaves or you get nothing. Which dismisses the hundreds of years of oppression all Blacks face today.

It's easy for white americans to say "trace ancestry" they know where they come from..............Blacks don't.

All Black americans in this country have been oppressed for hundreds of years.

 

[Triplelefthook]

In those 50 years, we've had 6 years of Nixon, 2 years of Ford, 8 years of Reagan, a total of 12 years of the Bush family, and now the current con man in the White House...and when he's out you'll have 32 of those 50 years under conservative Republican leadership. So right off the bat you're off by 18 years....which invalidates the rest of your tirade.

I've been having a discussion in another thread, I would be interested in your view on this do you not believe that Trump has made things better for the Black community?

First Step Act, the Opportunity Zones, restoring funding for black colleges, decrease in the country's poverty rate and a growing economy, a decreasing unemployment rate among black americans.... these are good things no?

You are pointing out all the conservative leaders during that time period but do you not believe that the LBJ 1968 War on Poverty contributed more negatively to the Black community than anything the conservatives have done? Incentivizing single black mothers to become "married to the state" rather than the fathers and contributing to more broken homes than ever before?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
This is true....but those would require a HELL of a lot more efforts in different venues to pull off, I think. Essentially, the SOS this country has been going through since the Civil Rights marches in the 1960's. A pain in the butt either way.

The effort of "proving" anything is still exclusive.

ALL BLACK AMERICANS face the same oppression and discrimination. Blacks built this entire country it would be a much bigger effort to try to trace ancestry than to eliminate cash bail.


No offense, but it seems as if you are saying prove your ancestors were slaves or you get nothing. Which dismisses the hundreds of years of oppression all Blacks face today.

It's easy for white americans to say "trace ancestry" they know where they come from..............Blacks don't.

All Black americans in this country have been oppressed for hundreds of years.

Ahh, but here's the thing....the opposition's basic whine is that you just can't get a check because you're a black American citizen who can trace your family tree to your great-grandfather. They include black folk who are 2nd or 3rd generation descendants of recent immigrants, etc. etc.

What I referring to is a systematic, logical approach that eliminates those arguments. Mind you, it doesn't affect every black American, (and I doubt it will pass Congress) but it does affect enough people to make the case that (once again) non-apologetic largesse based in part on racism is real and should be shared. It can happen....case in point
https://apnews.com/fdc364f22ee64a8eafc6e241edfdd886

 

[Loving91390]

Still looking for more freebies ......

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
In those 50 years, we've had 6 years of Nixon, 2 years of Ford, 8 years of Reagan, a total of 12 years of the Bush family, and now the current con man in the White House...and when he's out you'll have 32 of those 50 years under conservative Republican leadership. So right off the bat you're off by 18 years....which invalidates the rest of your tirade.

I've been having a discussion in another thread, I would be interested in your view on this do you not believe that Trump has made things better for the Black community?

First Step Act, the Opportunity Zones, restoring funding for black colleges, decrease in the country's poverty rate and a growing economy, a decreasing unemployment rate among black americans.... these are good things no?

You are pointing out all the conservative leaders during that time period but do you not believe that the LBJ 1968 War on Poverty contributed more negatively to the Black community than anything the conservatives have done? Incentivizing single black mothers to become "married to the state" rather than the fathers and contributing to more broken homes than ever before?

Typical right wing shuffle....you don't have the intellectual honesty to admit that one of the pillars of your initial screed was flat out WRONG given the plain, valid facts.....so you just move the goal post with more bigoted based myopia.

First, just admit in no uncertain terms that you were WRONG when you said "… people need an excuse for why and how 50 years of Liberal BS has left them high and dry with nothing to show for it." in light of what I previously posted....THEN we can move on to your other bilge.

 

[TTQ64]

Ahh, but here's the thing....the opposition's basic whine is that you just can't get a check because you're a black American citizen who can trace your family tree to your great-grandfather. They include black folk who are 2nd or 3rd generation descendants of recent immigrants, etc. etc.

What I referring to is a systematic, logical approach that eliminates those arguments. Mind you, it doesn't affect every black American, (and I doubt it will pass Congress) but it does affect enough people to make the case that (once again) non-apologetic largesse based in part on racism is real and should be shared. It can happen....case in point
https://apnews.com/fdc364f22ee64a8eafc6e241edfdd886

What is wrong with eliminating cash bail? Who does that negatively affect most?

And who gives a fuck what the opposition says? If white americans want it to happen it can.

 

[TTQ64]

Who benefits most from the following? I'll tell you. Private corporations and business............we are not asking for checks were asking for equality.

Eliminate the for profit prison industrial complex
Eliminate the cash bail system
Eliminate Check the box for housing
Eliminate Redlining in housing
Eliminate Check the box for employment
Eliminate Background checks for employment
Eliminate Bias's in Financial Institutions with low cost, low interest rate loans
Eliminate Voting restriction
Eliminate the Electoral College
Eliminate the Death Penalty
Eliminate Police Unions
Eliminate Racist laws such as sagging pants, loitering, skateboarding etc.
Eliminate Racial segregation laws
Revise and Revamp the ENTIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM hold racist departments, individual kops and the Justice Department accountable.
Revise and Revamp the ENTIRE JUDICIAL SYSTEM Hold racist Judges, DA's, Prosecutors, etc accountable.
Free Healthcare
Free Education
Raise the minimum wage to at lest 25.00 hr.

 

[Triplelefthook]

Typical right wing shuffle....you don't have the intellectual honesty to admit that one of the pillars of your initial screed was flat out WRONG given the plain, valid facts.....so you just move the goal post with more bigoted based myopia.

First, just admit in no uncertain terms that you were WRONG when you said "… people need an excuse for why and how 50 years of Liberal BS has left them high and dry with nothing to show for it." in light of what I previously posted....THEN we can move on to your other bilge.

I was wrong to say 50 years of Liberal BS.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Ahh, but here's the thing....the opposition's basic whine is that you just can't get a check because you're a black American citizen who can trace your family tree to your great-grandfather. They include black folk who are 2nd or 3rd generation descendants of recent immigrants, etc. etc.

What I referring to is a systematic, logical approach that eliminates those arguments. Mind you, it doesn't affect every black American, (and I doubt it will pass Congress) but it does affect enough people to make the case that (once again) non-apologetic largesse based in part on racism is real and should be shared. It can happen....case in point
https://apnews.com/fdc364f22ee64a8eafc6e241edfdd886

What is wrong with eliminating cash bail? Who does that negatively affect most?

And who gives a fuck what the opposition says? If white americans want it to happen it can.

Stop picking a fight, as I said nothing against the elimination of cash bail...that is a semi-separate issue. And as the old saying goes, you damned sure better know how your enemy works and count the bodies. Like I keep saying, this has to pass Congress before ANYTHING is done. You and I might just live to see some form of reparations to pass...it probably won't be what either of us want entirely, but in the end it will be a start.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Typical right wing shuffle....you don't have the intellectual honesty to admit that one of the pillars of your initial screed was flat out WRONG given the plain, valid facts.....so you just move the goal post with more bigoted based myopia.

First, just admit in no uncertain terms that you were WRONG when you said "… people need an excuse for why and how 50 years of Liberal BS has left them high and dry with nothing to show for it." in light of what I previously posted....THEN we can move on to your other bilge.

I was wrong to say 50 years of Liberal BS.

THANK YOU! Now, what else precisely do you want to discuss?