christiefan915
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I'm sorry to sound so thick but do you mean America is trying to change policy in Israel?
bush tried to change Iraq and talked about spreading democracy throughout the ME and look how that turned out.
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I'm sorry to sound so thick but do you mean America is trying to change policy in Israel?
bush tried to change Iraq and talked about spreading democracy throughout the ME and look how that turned out.
evince
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https://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights-protest-in-front-of-saudi-arabian-embassy.html
Women and human rights activists met in front of the Saudi Arabian Embassy in D.C. Saturday to protest the country’s treatment of women. The Washington Times reported about the impending event Friday
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A long read but worthwhile.
Don't Bring Saudi Women Into Your (Misguided) Argument Against Feminism
For women, it seems like it’s basically Internet law that if you tweet or share something about feminism, and you live in the United States or another country deemed “progressive” for women, a stranger will bark a line like one of the following:“#InternationalWomensDay because spoiled American and European women are struggling like Saudi, iraqi, Afghani, Yemen, and Somali women,” one person.
“Western feminists whining about sexism won't do sh*t for the women in the Middle-East.” “On #InternationalWomensDay , remind a privileged western "feminist" that women in Saudi Arabia can't drive and see if they give a damn."
As a reporter focused on covering women's rights, I've seen my fair share of people — most of whom are conservative, at least according to their social media bios — tweeting these types of comments to myself and other women I know.And I’ve noticed that this has become increasingly common since Trump has become president, and as women protest against a person who has bragged about sexually assaulting women and being anti-choice. It happened during International Women’s Day, as well as during the Women’s March in January, where some conservatives, including commentator Charlie Kirk (who’s been dubbed a “major player” in conservative politics) and Republican politician Mike Huckabee said that if women were truly concerned about women’s rights, they’d “head to the Saudi embassy” or “protest the fact women in Saudi Arabia can’t drive or vote.”
One right-wing website said women in the U.S. who protest against Trump “consciously ignore truly oppressed women around the world who live without the rights Americans sometimes take for granted.” Another said women should protest “real” women’s issues like “the women kidnapped by ISIS,” and not just demand abortions.
But all of these arguments are actually hypocritical. On the one hand, their comments give the impression that they care about the lives of women halfway around the world. On conservative news sites and Facebook pages, they share true articles about ISIS militants enslaving and raping Yazidi girls, and about Saudi Arabia banning women from getting behind the wheel. They say it is an outrage that such violence and discrimination against women can be committed. On the other hand, they show with their votes that they don’t want women and girl refugees from conflict-ridden Middle Eastern countries such as Syria or Iraq to come into their country, backing politicians with hard-line approaches to banning people from “Muslim” countries and cutting refugee intake.
Meanwhile, Trump’s administration reportedly wants to slash the State Department's and the U.S. Agency for International Development’s budgets in order to make up for military spending — potentially devastating women’s development and gender equality programs in the Middle East and around the world.
From my observation, this feigned concern for Middle Eastern women is only used for the purpose of undermining, derailing, or silencing women from speaking up about feminist issues at home. As Matt Walsh wrote in a 2015 piece for conservative site The Blaze, modern feminism in countries such as the U.S. and U.K. is a concept “used by feminists to reinforce a fantasy of patriarchal oppression and systematic man-on-woman victimization.
”It’s absolutely true that in some countries in the Middle East, such as Jordan and Iran, women’s rights have been restricted due to regressive governments, and that as a result, gender-based violence and discrimination are rife. The need for conservatives and feminists, both men and women, to advocate for issues like these concerning women of all backgrounds and ethnicities around the globe is indeed crucial, especially as the U.N. warns that the women’s movement around the world is fragile and “facing a backlash that hurts both men and women.”
But rather than address how these violations of women’s rights can fit into a wider global epidemic, some conservatives try to use it in a competition of “Which Country Treats Women the Worst?” with the aim of guilting women into believing the issues they are bringing to light aren’t of value. In doing so, they fail to grasp the fact that women can — shock, horror — campaign for, and care about, more than one feminist issue at a time. No one should be able to tell women which feminist causes they can or cannot be interested or involved in, and those who try to use the Middle Eastern women “argument” fail to understand that many women there are resilient campaigners and defenders of women’s rights, such as the Saudi women fighting against male guardianship, or the Afghani women who have protested against sexual harassment, or the women in Egypt arrested for their activism. Instead, they will likely only describe or depict women in the Middle East as silent victims “oppressed” by Islam.These same people also often only speak up about women in the Middle East when it's an opportunity to further their own political agenda.
Perhaps my cynicism is misplaced. But I suspect that you’ll see someone deflect a comment about feminism to a country “that has it worse” on your own timeline or news feed at some point – and when you do, take a moment to question whether it’s because of a genuine concernfor women in the Middle East, or an attempt to shut a woman up instead.
Don't Bring Saudi Women Into Your (Misguided) Argument Against Feminism
For women, it seems like it’s basically Internet law that if you tweet or share something about feminism, and you live in the United States or another country deemed “progressive” for women, a stranger will bark a line like one of the following:“#InternationalWomensDay because spoiled American and European women are struggling like Saudi, iraqi, Afghani, Yemen, and Somali women,” one person.
“Western feminists whining about sexism won't do sh*t for the women in the Middle-East.” “On #InternationalWomensDay , remind a privileged western "feminist" that women in Saudi Arabia can't drive and see if they give a damn."
As a reporter focused on covering women's rights, I've seen my fair share of people — most of whom are conservative, at least according to their social media bios — tweeting these types of comments to myself and other women I know.And I’ve noticed that this has become increasingly common since Trump has become president, and as women protest against a person who has bragged about sexually assaulting women and being anti-choice. It happened during International Women’s Day, as well as during the Women’s March in January, where some conservatives, including commentator Charlie Kirk (who’s been dubbed a “major player” in conservative politics) and Republican politician Mike Huckabee said that if women were truly concerned about women’s rights, they’d “head to the Saudi embassy” or “protest the fact women in Saudi Arabia can’t drive or vote.”
One right-wing website said women in the U.S. who protest against Trump “consciously ignore truly oppressed women around the world who live without the rights Americans sometimes take for granted.” Another said women should protest “real” women’s issues like “the women kidnapped by ISIS,” and not just demand abortions.
But all of these arguments are actually hypocritical. On the one hand, their comments give the impression that they care about the lives of women halfway around the world. On conservative news sites and Facebook pages, they share true articles about ISIS militants enslaving and raping Yazidi girls, and about Saudi Arabia banning women from getting behind the wheel. They say it is an outrage that such violence and discrimination against women can be committed. On the other hand, they show with their votes that they don’t want women and girl refugees from conflict-ridden Middle Eastern countries such as Syria or Iraq to come into their country, backing politicians with hard-line approaches to banning people from “Muslim” countries and cutting refugee intake.
Meanwhile, Trump’s administration reportedly wants to slash the State Department's and the U.S. Agency for International Development’s budgets in order to make up for military spending — potentially devastating women’s development and gender equality programs in the Middle East and around the world.
From my observation, this feigned concern for Middle Eastern women is only used for the purpose of undermining, derailing, or silencing women from speaking up about feminist issues at home. As Matt Walsh wrote in a 2015 piece for conservative site The Blaze, modern feminism in countries such as the U.S. and U.K. is a concept “used by feminists to reinforce a fantasy of patriarchal oppression and systematic man-on-woman victimization.
”It’s absolutely true that in some countries in the Middle East, such as Jordan and Iran, women’s rights have been restricted due to regressive governments, and that as a result, gender-based violence and discrimination are rife. The need for conservatives and feminists, both men and women, to advocate for issues like these concerning women of all backgrounds and ethnicities around the globe is indeed crucial, especially as the U.N. warns that the women’s movement around the world is fragile and “facing a backlash that hurts both men and women.”
But rather than address how these violations of women’s rights can fit into a wider global epidemic, some conservatives try to use it in a competition of “Which Country Treats Women the Worst?” with the aim of guilting women into believing the issues they are bringing to light aren’t of value. In doing so, they fail to grasp the fact that women can — shock, horror — campaign for, and care about, more than one feminist issue at a time. No one should be able to tell women which feminist causes they can or cannot be interested or involved in, and those who try to use the Middle Eastern women “argument” fail to understand that many women there are resilient campaigners and defenders of women’s rights, such as the Saudi women fighting against male guardianship, or the Afghani women who have protested against sexual harassment, or the women in Egypt arrested for their activism. Instead, they will likely only describe or depict women in the Middle East as silent victims “oppressed” by Islam.These same people also often only speak up about women in the Middle East when it's an opportunity to further their own political agenda.
Perhaps my cynicism is misplaced. But I suspect that you’ll see someone deflect a comment about feminism to a country “that has it worse” on your own timeline or news feed at some point – and when you do, take a moment to question whether it’s because of a genuine concernfor women in the Middle East, or an attempt to shut a woman up instead.
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I am talking about pressure groups like BDS that are trying to change policy, I don't happen to agree with them, but that's by the bye. What do you think Moonbat is doing every time he comes here? I don't know if he is doing it out of conviction or being paid but something motivates him.
So why aren't there similar pressure groups attempting to change Saudi or Iranian policy? Especially with respect to the treatment of women and other nationalities like Filipinos and Pakistanis who are treated like slaves in places like the UAE.
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I am sorry but just don't buy that for a second. It's obvious that feminists in the States have been stung by the criticism and are attempting to push back.
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christiefan915
Catalyst
For me this is the money quote.
"They say it is an outrage that such violence and discrimination against women can be committed. On the other hand, they show with their votes that they don’t want women and girl refugees from conflict-ridden Middle Eastern countries such as Syria or Iraq to come into their country, backing politicians with hard-line approaches to banning people from “Muslim” countries and cutting refugee intake."
TOP
Retired Teacher
Two questions, if I might ask.
What are "we" fighting for?
What does this mean: "referrer evince" when it pops up?
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Well to be honest, I don't have that much problem with women refugees, there are not usually the ones espousing Islamic fundamentalism and embracing terrorism. Men are a different kettle of fish entirely, you only need to look at what's happened in Germany and Sweden with so many single Muslim men in their teens and twenties.
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evince
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we are allowed to fight for ourselves asshole
why do we have to fix the world first in your mind?
because in your mind only tea tards and racists are allowed to fight only for themselves
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Pardon me, ma'am, but you appear to have a bit of toxic TOP on the bottom of your shoe....... lol
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Yes, we do...I never understand those who believe that we do not.
Do you, by chance, know what the "referrer" thing means? In reference to a new account created?
evince
Truthmatters
Indeed!
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so your claim is we should just accept inequality for ourselves until the rest of the world is free?
fuck you
you will give us equality NOW